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Old 07-28-2003, 01:46 PM   #1 (permalink)
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N/A horsepower vs. Turbo HP

I remember reading an article stating that non turbo horsepower was more powerful than turbo horsepower assuming equal numbers...how can this be? Does it have anything to do with displacement?
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na is only sucking...FI cars are sucking and being fed air...so why is na more powerful



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turbos are just a smarter designed intake system if you ask me.
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Old 07-28-2003, 04:23 PM   #4 (permalink)
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if (more powerful = more costly)
___then
_______yes (N/A > Turbo);
___else
______(article writer = stupid);
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Old 07-28-2003, 05:08 PM   #5 (permalink)
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na is only sucking...FI cars are sucking and being fed air...so why is na more powerful



they don't suck. the atmosphere pushes. how can u possibily pull air/??Sf jokes.......
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How about some content.

In short.

The author of the article you read is both correct and yet at the same time incorrect.

To gain large HP you need lots of air. In order to burn lots of gas at a 14.7 to one ratio. In order to bring lots of air into an engine you need to do one of three things.

1.
Use a big engine (nothing is better than large cubes for creating power)

2.
Use a higher redline.

3.
Use forced induction. (lets ignore superchargers because they were not mentioned in the original question)

Lets start with number two.
Up untill the last 8 years or so, there was no efficient way of bringing RPM high enough on stock engines to match the HP gained by boosting and still leave the engines streetable. This all has something to do with cam performance. In the recent hondas BMWs and Toyotas .. the list gets longer every day variable valves now allow this to be possible. There is still a price to be paid however. With these smaller high RPM engines that gain near to or over 100HP/Litre the torque output still does not match what could be accomplished from an engine of equal horsepower using one of the other two strategies.
Example Honda S2000

On to number three.
Turbo charging turns weak despicable cars into high powered monsters. 100HP/Litre is easily attainable and these cars still have better torque numbers than the cars in group two. A small amount of lag can be noticed when exiting corners.
Example
Subaru STI

On to number one.
There is no replacement for cubes. big engines = big horsepower = big torque even at lower RPM's. (This is why import freaks secretly love and hate the American V8's all at the same time) There is no lag on these engines its just hit the gas and go baby go.

What is better?
I think a big block finely tuned will dessimate most any engine in the other two categories. So in a way the author is correct. But when you compare groups two and three I find there is more drivability in the cars classed in group three than group two, thus making the author incorrect.

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they don't suck. the atmosphere pushes. how can u possibily pull air/??Sf jokes.......
...ever heard the old addage, "suck, squish, bang, blow" used when explaining how a motor basicaly works? Yes theroretically the atmosphere "pushes" the air into the cylinder but christ man were auto enthusiasts "not" atmospheric-engeneers. Sit down!
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...ever heard the old addage, "suck, squish, bang, blow" used when explaining how a motor basicaly works? Yes theroretically the atmosphere "pushes" the air into the cylinder but christ man were auto enthusiasts "not" atmospheric-engeneers. Sit down!
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The engine does suck.

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HVAC Engineer ...

The engine does suck.

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HVAC Engineer ...

The engine does suck.

:p
Correct.

Think of a engine as a big vacumm pump. When a piston travels downward it creates vacumm, its this vacumm that pulls air into the combustion chamber.

So the air is sucked in.

Turbos and blowers (superchargers) also suck in air, but they also compress the air.
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no comments on the link?

BTW its a vid of a twin turbo'd Grand National throwing down 1000HP and smoking the tires on the dyno to boot.
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Well, technically NA is more reliable and more eficient than Turbo in my opinion.. The saying is

"There is no replacement for displacement"

That's why the V8's are always more powerfull than Turbo Charged small engines.. The ultimate monster is the Grand National! If some Corvette owners replace there engines with Grand National engines, I think that tells you something...

Thank god there's different classes in cars, otherwise we'd all be butchered by the big engines
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I was agreing that an engine does suck in the air...
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no comments on the link?

BTW its a vid of a twin turbo'd Grand National throwing down 1000HP and smoking the tires on the dyno to boot.
Yep, I saw that link over on a Buick board. It's actually got a small block chevy in there instead of the GN engine. Still pretty bad ass though. He pulls mid 8 second 1/4 miles too.

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