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Old 11-19-2003, 05:38 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Turbo 5SFE engine management

I'm not sure which setup would be most efective.

1.) apexi safc with a msd btm

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2.)greddy emanagement.
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Old 11-20-2003, 11:05 AM   #2 (permalink)
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E-manage would be my best bet. Full control over fuel and ignition, as well as a boost sensor add-on to read higher boost numbers. You will also be able to run larger injectors (up to 150% larger than stock).
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How much boost do you plan to run? If its above 7 psi then grab the emanage, if its below then a 2 BAR map sensor, slightly upgraded injectors and the stock ecu will do fine. An SAFC would help iron out the air/fuel.
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So are you boosted now smokey8890? GOT PICS IF SO! Regardless, good luck with your plans! emanage is the best, so I've heard for expandability!
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The plans are to run low boost until I saved enough money for building up the internals. My main concern with the emanage is finding someone to tune it. I called a few shops but no luck. Calling greddy will be my next step.
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You might find some luck getting the base maps off of an MR2 board, sombody who turbo'd their 5S.
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The plans are to run low boost until I saved enough money for building up the internals. My main concern with the emanage is finding someone to tune it. I called a few shops but no luck. Calling greddy will be my next step.
The E-manage is a piggyback, so technically speaking, it will run off your stock ECU settings and you will be modifying it on top of that.

You can always start by presetting your ignition and fuel tables... Bump up the fuel by about 5% across the board in the boost maps (stock injectors) in each 1 psi increment -- so at 1 psi, your fuel should be +5% from 2000-redline, and at 2 psi, it will be +10%, etc... And then lower the ignition timing by 1 deg at each 1 psi increment.

Don't forget that these guidelines I am giving you are VERY conservative. It might make your car run so conservative that the engine will fail to rev to redline because it is running so rich and it would sputter The key is to work from rich to leaner... and before you start fine tuning the fuel tables, you either advance or retard the ignition timing and tune for best power. If you are lost in tuning ignition timing (which can also lead to disasters for noobs), you can always leave it 1 deg retard at each psi of boost and leave it. You still get a well running and tuned car, but just not as powerful as a fully tuned car for max power.

Usually I don't give out these guidelines about tuning because every car and every setup is completely different. It sounds very vague in some way because 1% of fuel can be completely different with larger/smaller injectors.

But once you get the hang of playing with the settings, you will begin to learn how to tune the car and tune it the way you like. Now it takes guts to tune for max power... If you don't have the experience, I would just leave it to a pro tuner. For a boosted car, you don't need to tune the piss out of the car because you can always compensate for conservative tuning with more boost

When I tuned my Integra (all motor) with the PowerFC Standalone, it takes time and patience because I wanted to tune for max power. For NA, poor tuning = no power! Before my tuning, I used to let some guy to do a chip for me. I dyno'd 194WHP with the chip. And then I switched to standalone and tuned it myself -- 219 WHP. Gained 25 WHP just from tuning. That's a long time ago anyways... I helped my friends tune many cars -- a lot of NA Hondas, and a couple of boosted ones. I also tuned my Camry of course, which is my first time tuning a turbocharged Toyota.
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smokey8890 where are you located? If you are in the GTA area I can tune it for you... My car is running of the e-manage with the profec E-01 boost controller. I am pushing 247Hp to the wheels at 11 psi on stock internals... If you have any question feel free to ask...
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Wow thanx for offer. but I in the US. I just hope they don't kill me at the shop.
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Keep us posted smokey because I want the E-manage too!
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I read that the emanage have trouble with OBDII. It was something with OBDII always tring to correct the fuel to the factory setting.
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Very true! The OBD 2 system does overide the e-manage on many occations, at the beginning atleast. For about 2 months I drove the car with the OBD 2 system trying to correct fuel and ignition maps. But after about 18 hours total of my car being on the dyno, she purrrssss like a kitten now... Keep open to other options such as standalone and such...
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can the emangae work with the 3s-fte?
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Old 11-27-2003, 07:18 PM   #14 (permalink)
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18hrs. of on the dyno. wow how much did that cost you?? I really don't want to spend that much into this project knowing that alot of stock car can still spank me with stock.
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can the emangae work with the 3s-fte?
the emanage is a universal kit. so yes it would fit
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