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Old 11-26-2003, 04:09 AM   #1 (permalink)
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air flow meter on 4AGE Qs?

Anyone know or tried swapping different air flow meters onto the bluetop 4AG? I know it probably isn't worth it since the motor is quite "weak" hp wise. But I was wondering if other AFMs will help it breath a bit more (due to larger L flange openings). I have 2 other AFMs that seem like plug and play that will fit, but haven't decided to try it yet. One is off a 3S-GE on the older celicas and another from a 5M-GE supra.

Just curious, I don't expect any power gains. Hopefully better breathing for my motor till I put in the GZE this spring.
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How about 7M-GTE or 3S-GTE AFM? I have think also, where to get bigger AFM, because i don't think so that original AFM is big enought for 4A-GTE
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hmmm... don't the 3S-GTE and 7M-GTE use MAP sensors rather than AFM? doesn't the newer 4AGs use MAP sensors as well? I was thinking of swapping to a MAP sensor, but I heard the amount of work compared to the results isn't worth it. Is that fact or fiction
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hmmm... don't the 3S-GTE and 7M-GTE use MAP sensors rather than AFM? doesn't the newer 4AGs use MAP sensors as well? I was thinking of swapping to a MAP sensor, but I heard the amount of work compared to the results isn't worth it. Is that fact or fiction
As you can see, there is AFM in 3S-GTE...

If you are going to use MAP, you have to change all efi and ingnition parts as far as i know.
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i don't think switching to a bigger AFM will help the engine breathe better, because now the bigger plate is heavier as well

the best AFM in terms of unrestricted airflow would be a hot wire type, so you could try looking at other toyotas that use those, but i'm not sure if that will work since the plug may be different, and the output data from the hot wire AFM may not make any sense to your original ECU, which reads from the vane type. But if that works, I'll be the first the ditch the 4age bulky AFM


the newer 4ages (blacktop 20V) use map sensors because they're in japan! In fact all the 4ages from 16V to 20V (except for silvertop) all use map sensors, because Sushi-land's emission requirements are lower than that of North America. For a 4ag, If you simply want to have a unrestricted intake system, then its not worth it to convert to Map sensor, because you'll need the japanese spec dizzy, coil and ignitor, engine harness, ECU, the MAP sensor, etc. The AFM is a superior piece of equipment over the MAP sensor, because it measures the actual incoming air (More expensive too). JDM 4ags having more horsepower may have a little to do with the MAP sensor, but mostly its because of their lower emission standards, and different gasoline. The reason why almost everyone converts to a MAP sensored setup is because thats what the majority of aftermarket parts are designed for.
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Just curious, I don't expect any power gains. Hopefully better breathing for my motor till I put in the GZE this spring.
dont exactly know what you mean by breathing better.
the afm is an input for fuel delivery. based on its input(as well as other sensors), the pcm determines the proper afr. if theres nothing wrong with the circuit or the flappers not binding, then your afm is fine.

hot wire type is a maf(thermistor). afm is a potentiometer.
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o ya, the 3sgte actually has a map sensor. but is only used as a turbo pressure sensor for fuel cut and for vac/boost readings on its inaccurate in dash gauge.
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Do you think that original AFM is big enough for turbo use?
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