A140e --> e153 Swap....Lets get detailed!!!

[luisitol]

Ok guys…B4 anyone says so I already searched, tons. There is a lot of info out there for fitting an e153 tranny into a 4cyl but it’s all spread out and some of the small details are missing.

We already know that the e153 tranny will bolt up to the 5sfe block so that’s not a problem. And that the axles and hubs have to be upgraded to the V6 units.

But the question at hand is what to do with the flywheel/clutch disc/pressure plate combination. Obviously we have to use the 5sfe Flywheel to bolt up to the crank but from there can we bolt on e153 components (clutch disc and pressure place) or do I have to use the 5sfe pressure plate and the e153 clutch disc?

Through some conversations with Zoni and Meisner its been established that the FW has to mate to the engine so that will have to be a 5SFE flywheel. Now the TO bearing and clutch disc have to be mated to the tranny, so those will be e153 items. This leaves the pressure plate.

Now the pressure plate has to match up with the FW bolts, but the distance it moves is also determined by the clutch slave cylinder. What to do (e153 or 5SFE pressure plate)? If you’ve done this swap, please chime in. Thanks!

[silverstreakin]

im looking to do it soon enough...you need the pressure plate for the tranny too

[Meisner]

Originally posted by silverstreakin
im looking to do it soon enough...you need the pressure plate for the tranny too

Are you saying the pressure plate should match the tranny?

[Ratko]

Flywheel for sure needs to match the engine.

Pressure plate needs to match the flywheel also since they are bolted to each other, so the clutch and pressure plate should also be for 5SFE.

The clutch fork and throwout bearing, however, should be E153 parts.

I'd like to have this info verified, to be safe, by Justin (Wraith) since I know he's using an E153 on his 5SGTE project.

[luisitol]

thanx for the info ratko....so you're saying 5sfe flywheel, pressure plate, and clutch disc with a e153 TO bearing and clutch fork. Makes sense, i was pretty sure though that the clutch disk would have to match the e153. Hopefully Justin can help shed some light.

[Ratko]

Well the clutch disc is sandwiched between the pressure plate and the flywheel, so I think just through elimination I'd have to say that the clutch disc would have to be for the 5SFE since it needs to match the face of the flywheel and the face of the pressure plate.

Then again, the output shaft of the transmission needs to have the same spline pattern as the clutch disc... so we have a bit of a toss-up there, thats why Id like Wraith to chime in.

[Meisner]

Originally posted by Ratko
Then again, the output shaft of the transmission needs to have the same spline pattern as the clutch disc... so we have a bit of a toss-up there, thats why Id like Wraith to chime in.

Exactly. I would think the the shaft of the tranny must match the clutch disc. I thought I remeber seeing somewhere that the surface area was the same between the 5sfe and 3sgte flywheels. If that is correct, then the disc must match the tranny.

The clutch fork was the other thing I forgot.

[Wraith]

Sorry been very busy lately.. have just been lurking ...

But You can use a 3s-gte flywheel and clutch with the 5s-fe Crank... You would need to open up( machine) the flywheel bolt holes up just alittle so the holes will mate up...

Once this is done you have more options when it comes to clutches...

[Wraith]

Originally posted by Ratko


I'd like to have this info verified, to be safe, by Justin (Wraith) since I know he's using an E153 on his 5SGTE project.

Yes I am using a e153 trans with my 5s-gte. But I'm running a long rod motor, instead of a stroker. Which basically means I'm running a 3s-gte crank in a 5s-fe block...

[luisitol]

Originally posted by Wraith
Sorry been very busy lately.. have just been lurking ...

But You can use a 3s-gte flywheel and clutch with the 5s-fe Crank... You would need to open up( machine) the flywheel bolt holes up just alittle so the holes will mate up...

Once this is done you have more options when it comes to clutches...

Justin, how about if you use a 5sfe flywheel, what do you combine with it after that? do you then have to use 5sfe components all the way or can you mix n match? Essentially i would liek to jsut use teh 5sfe flywheel and then 3sgte / e153 components the rest of the way. Can that work? I just don't trust too many shops here in the city.

[Wraith]

Originally posted by luisitol
Justin, how about if you use a 5sfe flywheel, what do you combine with it after that? do you then have to use 5sfe components all the way or can you mix n match? Essentially i would liek to jsut use teh 5sfe flywheel and then 3sgte / e153 components the rest of the way. Can that work? I just don't trust too many shops here in the city.

you can mix and match after that ... But why ??? when all you would have to do is run to the machine shop and have them widen the flywheel bolts up to fit the 5s-fe crank bolts...

[luisitol]

ok, so do you know of a reputable place to do this? I'm still tyring to find a reputable machining place around here but if you knew one that'd be great, thanx!

[Ratko]

^ Talk to someone in the NY area from the Supra forums... www.supraforums.com, or DSM forums www.dsm.org - They will usually know where the reputable machine shops in the area.

[luisitol]

Yea i was just on my way to post on the supra forums

BTW Wraith do you know how much the holes have to be widened?

[Wraith]

Originally posted by luisitol
Yea i was just on my way to post on the supra forums

BTW Wraith do you know how much the holes have to be widened?

this one I'm not sure of... I would need to get back to you on this...