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lunar916 · 06-13-2002, 02:00 AM

i'm new to manual car...
so.. i have this question..
when u cut into a corner, when do u downshift (+ rev match)?
1) before u enter the corner
2) while u'r turning
3) before u exit the corner

2 doesn't sound right to me.. i'v been practicing 1.. still working on rev-matching... -___-
but i remember i saw a clip.. the driver heel&toe b4 he exit the corner..

Flashmn · 06-13-2002, 06:49 AM

Well, Before the corner if I need to downshift, but why match revs? I just use the downshift to brake for the corner, then to give me acceleration out of the corner. If its a mild corner, I dont even downshift, I just keep pressing the gas to "suck" the car through the corner.

Downshifting in the corner can make you spin, etc. especially in RWD cars, NEVER downshift while IN the corner, try that in winter :wink: WHEE!

mr_sinister · 06-13-2002, 09:48 AM

you should rev match while downshifting if you want to save wear on your clutch..

but yeah, i think it only matters when you down shift if you'r doing some 'spirited' driving.. doesn't matter too much just booting around town..

but the 'proper' way is to do it before turn in

boroEF · 06-13-2002, 10:51 AM

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On 2002-06-13 10:48, mr_sinister wrote:
you should rev match while downshifting if you want to save wear on your clutch..

but yeah, i think it only matters when you down shift if you'r doing some 'spirited' driving.. doesn't matter too much just booting around town..

but the 'proper' way is to do it before turn in

as he said, do it before the corner. and yes, rev match. it'll save wear and tear on ur clutch. and um...who the heck heal and toes on the exit of a corner?! i think ur getting ur terms mixed up dood

Flashmn · 06-13-2002, 01:15 PM

Well, I've NEVER revmatched and I've yet to replace the clutch on my soon 12yr old corolla which has the Factory clutch. Same with my dads benz I've really given the boot :razz: Personally, I dont believe in revmatching on modern gearboxes, but thats just me.

lunar916 · 06-13-2002, 01:25 PM

thx guys
well... far as i know.. the reason for rev matching is that.. when u'r driving fast and cornering at the limit, if u don't rev-match, u depress the drive-train, which adds extra "unwanted" force on ur tires.
it's not a problem in regular driving, but when u'r cornering at the limit, u'll loose the traction and will spin the car in the wrong direction

actually... no... i was watching one of those japanese track training VCD... it was a pretty big hair clip.. and the guy heel and toe just b4 he exit the corner
i'll try to find that VCD and watch it again soon...

mr_sinister · 06-13-2002, 02:14 PM

well in those racing videos, lots of times those guys will be pulling out all kinds of fancy tricks, but that's cuz they're professionals..

i've seen vidoes of guys using heel and toe for something other than downshifting. .but that's more advanced stuff :wink:

Flashmn · 06-13-2002, 09:23 PM

Does it mean that if you are a professional, you'd be superior to someone. Statistics say that professionals are more likely to end up in a an accident than regular people. Why? I'm not totally sure, but I'd believe its somehow related to the fact that they think, they're superior than the rest, but fall to their own lack of humbility (sp?).
Besides that like in those vids, they do tricks which are totally unnecessary to do in normal or even spirited driving. Why would you do that and risk running off the road when you fumble with it, they dont do it on a normal road, they do it on a track.

mr_sinister · 06-14-2002, 08:43 AM

i simply meant that just because you saw taniguchi doing a clutch kick or orido do some left foot braking out of a high speed corner, doesn't mean you should.. especially if you're just beginning to learn how to drive a manual transmission (as the poster of this thread said he was)

if you want to go out there and replicate all the little tricks you see the pros do just because you are "statistically less likely to crash than keiichi".. uh.. go right ahead.. its your car..

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boroEF · 06-14-2002, 10:30 AM

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On 2002-06-13 14:25, lunar916 wrote:
well... far as i know.. the reason for rev matching is that.. when u'r driving fast and cornering at the limit, if u don't rev-match, u depress the drive-train, which adds extra "unwanted" force on ur tires.

he's right. in rear wheel drive cars, if u down shift and not revmatch, u'd lock up ur rears cos of engine braking and u'd spin in a corner. on a front wheel drive car u'd put lots of stress on the drive train. all not good, and all wear out ur clutch. so rev matching is still important.

Bensa · 06-14-2002, 11:06 AM

I have no frigging clue what I doing when I drive my car.. it all comes naturally hehehe.

We'll know in a few years if I burnt out me clutch or not

boroEF · 06-14-2002, 11:19 AM

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On 2002-06-14 12:06, Bensa wrote:
I have no frigging clue what I doing when I drive my car.. it all comes naturally hehehe.

We'll know in a few years if I burnt out me clutch or not

rofl bensa does it right!! :grin:

lunar916 · 06-14-2002, 02:49 PM

personally... i think profs get into more accident than the rest of us cuz of the environment that they'r in..
they RACE everyday, and cuz they'r in competitions
well.. ya... some of them do think they'r more superior than us.. well.. they do drive better than us.. and understand more about cars
no.. i wasn't watching initial D about left foot breaking or clutch kick..
(by the way.. do u know what left foot breaking is for? i have no idea.. doesn't really make sense to me)
the video i saw wasn't those fency VCD
it was a training school held by a popular janpanese racer
he was training guys in the video on a race track
i'm not trying to push my car to the limit
but just want to know the more proper way to driving...
for my own interest, and also to keep my car in good condition
ps. yes.. i do think rev-matching reduces the wear... however.. the clutch is design for last for a long time... unless u grinde ur cluch everyday.. otherwise... even if u do clutch braking.. the clutch will still probably last for the time that u own the car..
well.. it's just my opinion..

boroEF · 06-14-2002, 03:08 PM

left foot braking is for front drive cars.
it is using ur left foot to gently press on the brake while ur in a corner and ur modulating the gas with ur right foot. the point of this is to induce rear wheel lock up to kind of swing the rear end around.

HIP2HOP · 06-16-2002, 05:07 AM

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On 2002-06-14 15:49, lunar916 wrote:
i'm not trying to push my car to the limit
but just want to know the more proper way to driving...
for my own interest, and also to keep my car in good condition
ps. yes.. i do think rev-matching reduces the wear... however.. the clutch is design for last for a long time... unless u grinde ur cluch everyday.. otherwise... even if u do clutch braking.. the clutch will still probably last for the time that u own the car..
well.. it's just my opinion..

rev-matching is the proper way to do it... it saves clutch wear and also gives smoother gear changes...