FF cornering

[Naito]

I'm bored at work and was wondering if anyone here can englighten me. What would be the best braking and accelerating points when cornering an FF car?

1) Braking before the entrance to the corner, hitting the gas to keep a constant speed to the apex, then accelerating after the apex.
2) Braking into the entrance of the corner, then continuing as in #1.

The different methods shift the weight differently at different times through the corner (obviously), but which way is the faster? Would the extended weight shift to the front in #2 counter FF understeer more, or would hitting the gas to pull into the corner in #1 be more effective?
or maybe somethign completely different?

Any insight is appreciated. Thanks!

edit: yes, heel-toeing down to the proper gear etc is implied.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Naito on 2002-06-28 15:52 ]</font>

[wunderboy]

IMO, I would brake to the point of downshifting before the corner, then accell into and out of the corner at high rev's. Comming into the corner to fast will leave the weight in the front, and send you by the corner which could lead to BIG problems. But hey what do I know...

[F1 Chris]

read this webpage

http://www.speedworx.com/cgi-local/shop.pl/page=physics_23_trailbrake.htm

[Naito]

I understand the concept for trail braking, but I guess what I'm really wondering is whether the ability of FF to pull into a corner by applying power is as effective as shifting the weight forward into the entrance a la trail braking...
so question somewhat rephrased:
trail braking is probably the fastest way to enter a corner in an FR car, but for FF would accelerating in be more effective than trail braking?

[Naito]

Cool link tho, thanks =-)

[TRD 4Runner]

All I know is that if you start understeering with a FF car, mash the gas, and turn the wheel- if you brake, it would make the understeer worse.

But, what would I know...my car is 4WD, and my other is RWD.

[boroEF]

On 2002-06-29 00:55, TRD 4Runner wrote:
All I know is that if you start understeering with a FF car, mash the gas, and turn the wheel-

uhhh no unless u like torque steer or would like to understeer some more.

[bondobondo]

always brake before you turn the wheel.
period.

if you start understeering hard into the turn, you are going in too hot, tap the gas, try to straighen out, and don't brake.

[DaksGT]

On 2002-06-29 01:10, trueno92 wrote:
always brake before you turn the wheel.
period.

if you start understeering hard into the turn, you are going in too hot, tap the gas, try to straighen out, and don't brake.

Or tap the brake and watch the rear end come out and be like Takumi, god knows we all wanna do it

[bondobondo]

depends on the degree of the understeer, but doing it like all the euro's when you are going in too hot and letting off the gas or tapping the brake to bring the rear out is, indeed, loads of fun.

[-HiTMaN-]

On 2002-06-28 15:23, Naito wrote:
I'm bored at work and was wondering if anyone here can englighten me. What would be the best braking and accelerating points when cornering an FF car?

1) Braking before the entrance to the corner, hitting the gas to keep a constant speed to the apex, then accelerating after the apex.
2) Braking into the entrance of the corner, then continuing as in #1.

The different methods shift the weight differently at different times through the corner (obviously), but which way is the faster? Would the extended weight shift to the front in #2 counter FF understeer more, or would hitting the gas to pull into the corner in #1 be more effective?
or maybe somethign completely different?

Any insight is appreciated. Thanks!

edit: yes, heel-toeing down to the proper gear etc is implied.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Naito on 2002-06-28 15:52 ]</font>

It really depends on the type of terrain, road, and the corner.....
what i usually do is, the first method

Brake as i'm coming up into the corner then.. constant speed to the apex then just floor it.....

The problem with braking as u're coming into the corner and downshifting is the lockup of your front tires...with my stock 1994 camry and auto tranny its not that much fun, and sometimes it screwes everything up by pulling me too far, so i have to ease off the gas or tap it lightly to recover...but i sill love the car :grin:

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[boroEF]

On 2002-07-01 14:28, -HiTMaN- wrote:


The problem with braking as u're coming into the corner and downshifting is the lockup of your front tires...

that only happens with improper downshifting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Naito]

left foot braking I'm working on, haven't gotten the fine braking control I want/need yet, so haven't tried it while cornering just yet...when I shake enuf screws loose in my head I'm sure I'll try it sooner or later hehe =-)
and I don't know how FAST that method would be, it's look damn nice but doubt it'd be fast, unless u're rallying.

so the general consensus so far tho is that trail braking has no place in FF driving?

[boroEF]

On 2002-07-02 01:24, Naito wrote:
so the general consensus so far tho is that trail braking has no place in FF driving?

nono trail braking is really useful. it lets u brake later and have a higher speed to enter into the corner with.

[bondobondo]

On 2002-07-01 23:55, Shaun wrote:

that only happens with improper downshifting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

exactly. if you finesse it, you will be fine.