How do Rally tires hold up on normal roads? - Toyota Nation Forum : Toyota Car and Truck Forums

SmokingTires · 01-07-2005, 02:15 PM

I am looking at some Falken RS-01D tires for Snow Rally season (and the following ones) but their site doesn't list a tread wear rating. I'm wondering how well they would hold up on normal roads. It's about a 160mile drive from my place to where the races are (I do it in 2 hours or so) and I would have to switch the tires the day before. Would it be fine or would it be better to have it on different rims?

http://www.falkentire.com/tires_rs01d.htm

userlain · 01-07-2005, 03:30 PM

Rally rubber is pretty stiff so you will get good treadwear on pavement.

IMO, however, the tred design will give you poor traction on dry and wet pavement.

Flashmn · 01-07-2005, 03:34 PM

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Rally rubber is pretty stiff so you will get good treadwear on pavement.

Not all of them, they come in ranges from soft - hard, winter tires are usually soft.

SmokingTires · 01-07-2005, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Flashmn

Not all of them, they come in ranges from soft - hard, winter tires are usually soft.

Yeah, these are offered in soft or medium compound.

And rally tires do have worse traction, but I'm not worried about it. It's 160miles of farm country. I hit two stop lights the whole way there

Flashmn · 01-07-2005, 07:08 PM

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And rally tires do have worse traction,

Huh? How so?

SmokingTires · 01-07-2005, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Flashmn

Huh? How so?

Summer tires have the best traction because they have the most contact with the road. They perform best that way.

Example:

However winter tires perform better when there is less contact with the ground. This allows for them to push the snow aside and get to the ground.

A good example are would be the pic posted above, or Blizzacks.

These are my normal tires. They are all season, however they have great grip in the snow

Flashmn · 01-07-2005, 07:42 PM

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These are my normal tires. They are all season, however they have great grip in the snow

All seasons never have "great" grip in snow.

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Summer tires have the best traction because they have the most contact with the road. They perform best that way.

yes and no, its about the rubber hardness too, but a large contact patch has a disadvantage in rain, it displaces water less efficiently and will hydroplane easier. Rally tires have different tire compounds and treads for asphalt, gravel, snow, ice, mud. Choosing them is a bunch of compromises, the tires you showed have gravel treads, so ofcourse they wont match track tires on asphalt.

But to answer your question, yes they will hold up just fine.

Heres what I'm running during winter

And my summer tires

SmokingTires · 01-07-2005, 07:54 PM

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All seasons never have "great" grip in snow.

yes and no, its about the rubber hardness too, but a large contact patch has a disadvantage in rain, it displaces water less efficiently and will hydroplane easier.

Yeah, the tires I posted were Falken racing tires. Just an example, obviously not the best for day to day driving.

Mine are more in favor of winter. Not a lot of grip on dry ground. They have a TW of 740 and large sidewalls. They do stop really good in snow

Flashmn · 01-08-2005, 02:11 AM

Yeah, falken azenis', those are quite good for daily driving actually, they arent really race tires, more like street tires that can be raced, I've tried them. If you wanna know what are bad for daily driving try yokohama Advan A032R's, which are full race tires

SmokingTires · 01-08-2005, 02:37 AM

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Yeah, falken azenis', those are quite good for daily driving actually, they arent really race tires, more like street tires that can be raced, I've tried them. If you wanna know what are bad for daily driving try yokohama Advan A032R's, which are full race tires

200 TW seems a little low for daily driving. I need something 140TW or higher for Solo season, but the Goodyears are too expensive. And I can't find anything else ( searches haven't come up with jack). Any suggestions?

Flashmn · 01-08-2005, 05:55 AM

Have you checked out kumho?
Heres kumho http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....del=ECSTA+R700

SmokingTires · 01-08-2005, 06:06 AM

I meant for Auto-X Tires. Although I'll look into those for Rally season

I checked out the site a little more, and I think I might get some Pirelli PZero Corsa 215/45/17. They come in a 140 which is exactly what I want. $155 a pop though.

automatic · 01-08-2005, 03:52 PM

The soft compound (blizzak)snow tires really are terrible in the wet, I've gotten in two accidents while using this type of tire, one at low speed, and another on the highway. They'll lock up under braking very easy, then are slow to gain traction again.
I have some Kuhmo 712s on one of my cars, have been pleased with the performance per dollar.

Flashmn · 01-08-2005, 04:15 PM

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The soft compound (blizzak)snow tires really are terrible in the wet,

How much did you have tread depth?

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Pirelli PZero

I heard some bad things about those, my friend used those on a BMW on track, he had CHUCKS missing from the tread blocks... I'd go yokohama/nitto/toyo/dunlop.

SmokingTires · 01-08-2005, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Flashmn

How much did you have tread depth?

I heard some bad things about those, my friend used those on a BMW on track, he had CHUCKS missing from the tread blocks... I'd go yokohama/nitto/toyo/dunlop.

Really? I thought it was only the lower end Pirellis that where shitty. Damn, and they were right at 140 TW

I'll need to check out all of the companies sites, find out what they carry. And then find a dealer that has that model (That's the hard part).