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Old 01-14-2005, 01:44 PM   #1 (permalink)
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The Wraith's fuel system setup...

What do you think about running this set up ...


the fuel pump will be the Aeromotive Eliminator with 160lb injectors... Will be running a fuel pressure of 35psi at idle and 70psi at max boost. And the fuel pump will have a constant voltage of 13.5volts...

Let me know what you guys think ...
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Old 01-14-2005, 02:29 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Cool. I don't see the need for the dual draw though. Better to run a bulkhead fitting to a flexible hose with a weighted screen ball on the end. If you are concerned with drawing air, if either of those becomes exposed it will pull that through rather than the fuel anyhow.
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Old 01-14-2005, 02:45 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Justin...like the setup its similar to what I want to go with except I won't have the dual draw and I'll run -10an to the block then dual -6an out (I don't need as much fuel as your crazy butt )

What is the reason for the split draw?
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ok ok ok... now you are just showing off.

I agree on the dual draw setup - it seems that you should choose the 'best' spot and stick with it. How are you going to make sure that no air is drawn from one of the ports if it is exposed to air?

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Old 01-14-2005, 03:12 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Well If you any of you have actually seen the fuel tank of the camry/solara/avalons ... Its a saddle bag design; the driver side is the lowest point to draw fuel. Now If you look at the center of the tank... on the driver side... it is the absolute lowest point of the tank. The problem with that is if you accelerate off the line the fuel will sloush backward and might cause a low suction pressure ... Thats the reason why I'm running a split draw because of how the camry/solara/avalons fuel tanks are designed...
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ok ok ok... now you are just showing off.

I agree on the dual draw setup - it seems that you should choose the 'best' spot and stick with it. How are you going to make sure that no air is drawn from one of the ports if it is exposed to air?

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if you look at the diagram thats why theirs a sump draw... Which will hold at least 1 gallon of fuel in it at all times and it is placed at the lowest point on the tank. The problem with this is it might be too low and might have clearance issues... sooo I have to really sit down and look at the fuel tank for about 10 minutes with the WRaith on the floor...
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ok ok ok... now you are just showing off.

I agree on the dual draw setup - it seems that you should choose the 'best' spot and stick with it. How are you going to make sure that no air is drawn from one of the ports if it is exposed to air?

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Charlie your just jealous that you can draw as good as I can on paint program...
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Well If you any of you have actually seen the fuel tank of the camry/solara/avalons ... Its a saddle bag the driver side is the lowest point to draw fuel. Now If you look at the center of the tank on the driver side it is the absolute lowest point of the tank. The problem with that is if you accelerate off the line the fuel will sloush backward and might cause a low suction pressure ... Thats the reason why I'm running a split draw because of how the camry/solara/avalons fuel tanks are designed...
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Wraith, how come you dont run a surge tank instead, say about 2L, so it'll be tank->draw->filter->pump->surgetank->pump->filter->fuel rail...something along those lines...that way any sloshing of the fuel doesnt affect the fuel draw. also you might want to have a spiral design in the sugre tank also. if you need any clarification just tell me, i've got the info some where on my home comp and i'm at work right now...

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Old 01-17-2005, 08:18 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Wraith, how come you dont run a surge tank instead, say about 2L, so it'll be tank->draw->filter->pump->surgetank->pump->filter->fuel rail...something along those lines...that way any sloshing of the fuel doesnt affect the fuel draw. also you might want to have a spiral design in the sugre tank also. if you need any clarification just tell me, i've got the info some where on my home comp and i'm at work right now...

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I know what a surge tank does but that setups are more geared for road racing cars. And it has alot of flaws that could be costly. One flaw is your relying on 2 pumps ... What do you think will happen when the puller pump stops working... The pump after the surge tank would still be able to pull just enough fuel to keep your car running. But once you hit boost, then there goes your motor. You have to remember these pumps are self priming and can work on dry start ups.

Another thing with this design is your have to think of the horsepower I'm going for... With the configuration of my setup, I would need to run 2 Aeromotive fuel pumps to keep everything full and not sucking air... Which would be too much money...

Trust me .... I've looked and research ever avenue of doing a fuel system.
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i wasnt sure if this was applicable in your case, i know that for some circuit work its fine, just thought i'd throw it up...

is there anyway to put baffles in your tank? otherwise the system you proposed would be one of the best thought out ones i've seen...

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I believe this system is similar to the fuel sump that Fullrace makes for Hondas? That's how most external pump setups run from V8 guys to Supra folks. This system will work great and possibly the best system in the performance perspective. But again, I am not a fan of external pumps due to a couple of reasons though. First you mentioned ground clearance problems, second is having all the fuel components under the car is not practical for a street car. Some people say it's dangerous especially for a lowered vehicle. For every day car, having all those wiring exposed to severe weathering is not the best thing either (which is why there are barely any wiring in the undercarriage on OEM cars).

Well, I guess this doesn't apply to your Camry that much...rofl Since I doubt it will be anything near a street car

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I believe this system is similar to the fuel sump that Fullrace makes for Hondas? That's how most external pump setups run from V8 guys to Supra folks. This system will work great and possibly the best system in the performance perspective. But again, I am not a fan of external pumps due to a couple of reasons though. First you mentioned ground clearance problems, second is having all the fuel components under the car is not practical for a street car. Some people say it's dangerous especially for a lowered vehicle. For every day car, having all those wiring exposed to severe weathering is not the best thing either (which is why there are barely any wiring in the undercarriage on OEM cars).

Well, I guess this doesn't apply to your Camry that much...rofl Since I doubt it will be anything near a street car

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hey tony ... I wont have everything under the car... I'll have it in the trunk soo no problem with ground clearance... just have to cut up the spare tire bin in the trunk to make it work
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Old 01-19-2005, 10:22 PM   #14 (permalink)
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why don't you just go with a race 15gallon tank?...wouldn't that slove the problem of the crappy design of the camry tank?
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why don't you just go with a race 15gallon tank?...wouldn't that slove the problem of the crappy design of the camry tank?
the class I'm planning on competing in doesnt allow aftermarket fuel cells...
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