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b16a2 · 09-08-2002, 02:07 PM

Hey guys, I am a Honda guy, but I am looking for a first car.

I have come to land on a Toyota Corolla, I'd love a GTS... but because of an anime that shall remain nameless, all of my teenage/adolescent 'friends' have raised the price too much.

I have two questions:

One: How much of a difference between the '85-'86 Corolla SR5, and Corolla GTS is there?

This brings me to question two:

If I get an SR5, and toss a 4AG motor into it, will it be the same car as the GTS?

On the discussion of motor swaps... How much work would be involved in putting a 3GSTE Celica/MR2 Turbo motor in the car? Will it fit? Will the Tranny work? How much modification would be needed?

Thanks immensely for your help guys!

project trueno · 09-08-2002, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by b16a2

Hey guys, I am a Honda guy, but I am looking for a first car.

I have come to land on a Toyota Corolla, I'd love a GTS... but because of an anime that shall remain nameless, all of my teenage/adolescent 'friends' have raised the price too much.

I have two questions:

One: How much of a difference between the '85-'86 Corolla SR5, and Corolla GTS is there?

This brings me to question two:

If I get an SR5, and toss a 4AG motor into it, will it be the same car as the GTS?

On the discussion of motor swaps... How much work would be involved in putting a 3GSTE Celica/MR2 Turbo motor in the car? Will it fit? Will the Tranny work? How much modification would be needed?

Thanks immensely for your help guys!

seeing how i am kind of bored right now and you have questions i can actually answer, i'll answer you

(but PLEASE PLEASE goto www.club4ag.com for ALL the info you'll ever need, its the 4ag/ae86 super resource centre)

first, 85-87 are all AE86
SR5= 4ac=SOHC= weak weak weak HP=usually better condition due to demand for GT-S' (it is RWD also)
GT-S=4age=DOHC=weak HP= higher demand= beefier internals than a SR5

tossing just an 4AGE into a SR5 will NOT make it a GT-S, for more info read club4ag

about 3SGTE, (not 3GSTE) anything can happen as long as you have $$$, however the more common swaps are 4agze, or 20V 4age

anyway Welcome to TN, me/mine/mods?

b16a2 · 09-08-2002, 04:13 PM

Thank you for the help. I am ona budget of basically 0$, so i am looking for the most affordable ways to get what I want. I've done zero research basically, and that's what will lead to my downfall.

This is what I want:

An affordable car, The AE86 Hatch body, The ability to learn drifting techniques (RWD), A turbo, and enough power to beat most Civics...

From these needs, I take it that I need:

An 85-87 Corolla hatch, upgraded suspension (What parts?), a motor that has a stock turbo (I'm too scared to try FI'ing a 16 year old NA motor), and a motor running more than 130hp.

Thank you for your help... I will check out Club 4AG... I am new to Toyotas, so engine codes aren't sitting too well with me yet, sorry. :S

I have no car right now, but basically, I am looking for either this AE86 project car, or a 1st gen RX7.

Thank you again!

bondobondo · 09-08-2002, 05:15 PM

if you are on a budget of $0, the ae86 is NOT for you.

it will be a money pit.

period.

sorry, but that is the harsh reality of owning, then trying to maintain a 15+ yr old car.

Flashmn · 09-08-2002, 07:18 PM

<sigh> just get a new corolla if you need a car you dont have to spend alot of money on.

4DoorsofFury · 09-09-2002, 12:42 AM

if you want to know about 3sgte swaps.....us camry peeps might be able help along with the corolla celica and mr2 peeps. first of all i dont know what type engine you have in your corolla (know nothing about corollas). if its in S block family (3s/5s)....then 3sgte is definately a fairly easy swap for you. its a 1.8L 4 cyl so its not the biggest engine. so im pretty sure that it can "fit", but as far as tranny and brackets and things like that...i have no clue. since i dont know much on corollas.....im not the most help.
but i can help you out a litte. maybe so that you can get a head start....check out this site if you havent already seen it:

http://www.toysport.com and click on "Tech Info" on the side. read the articles about the toyota engines, block families, and head families. that way you can know a little more as everyone helps you along.

btw good to see a honda guy in a toyota forum. welcome bro and good luck with whatever you do and hope you stay

Deep · 09-09-2002, 09:17 AM

You'd be better off with an S13 or an FC.

boroEF · 09-09-2002, 09:34 AM

hahaha

why not just get a civic with a b16a2 as ur name suggests?

Bensa · 09-09-2002, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Deep

You'd be better off with an S13 or an FC.

Yeah much better off getting a S13 or FC because those cars are more available and do not have the Initial D Markup...

S13's could be had for pretty cheap and I've seen SR20DET engines go for as little as $1500... of course you'll have to install it and such but probably be a way better performer than an AE86. I'd becareful of the FC/FD's and other Rotary engines... I heard they are prone to rebuilds and at low milage.

Lafora · 09-09-2002, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by trueno92

if you are on a budget of $0, the ae86 is NOT for you.

it will be a money pit.

period.

sorry, but that is the harsh reality of owning, then trying to maintain a 15+ yr old car.

werd.

i paid a pretty penny for mine. and it STILL needs work.

and from the stories i've heard, i'm one of the luckier ones.

b16a2 · 09-10-2002, 09:14 AM

Wow! Thanks for a ll the replies guys!!!

Trueno92: Thank you, this is a good point. I basically want a car that will last a year though, so reliability isn't the biggest factor.

Flashmn: Hha, again, only has to last a year, so lease payments are not an option. But thank you.

4doorsofFury: Thank you, I am running short on time right now, but I will be sure to check out that site when I get home from school. Thank you.

Deep: An S13 or FC is more expensive though, I love the body styles of S13s, what does one go for, as well, what does the S13 front clip go for? An FC would be a cool choice, I believe they're worth about $5,000-$10,000 (CAD$), again, not the greatest choice for a one-year vehicle.

Shaun: My future project car (After college) will in fact be an EG Hatch or Coupe complete with a B16a2 swap, I want something different than the usual B18c1, or B16a1 swaps, that is still fairly light-weight, tuneable, and has some decent power stock. I find a Honda motor that is running 160-172hp at the crank, 111lb/ft of torque, DOHC, VTEC, all with a redline of 8100rpm sweet stuff.

Thank you for that question, as I like discussing what I want as a future vehicle.

Bensa: That seems cheap for an SR20, probably because it's in USD, or maybe I know less than what I think I know. I almost like this idea of the S13 now... but the idea of spending lots of money on a first car, doesn't totally appeal to me. Thank you.

Lafora: That doesn't sound great, but I hope everything goes well for you my friend! Thanks for your contribution.

To everyone: Thanks for the replies, you guys are really helpful!

fatredcircle · 09-10-2002, 09:44 AM

the biggest problem with doing an sr20det swap is the wiring. good luck. its taken even the best of tuners a year...even two years just to get the wiring done properly...its EXTREMELY frustrating and time consuming.

with an s13, your going to still have the associated problems with a USED car. So don't get mislead.

Nick

Deep · 09-10-2002, 09:51 AM

Theres a Nismo tuner that offers a plug and play harness that goes between the KA and SR harnesses. I thinks it around $150USD. The only problem with that is that you would need a complete uncut harness for the SR.

fatredcircle · 09-10-2002, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Deep

Theres a Nismo tuner that offers a plug and play harness that goes between the KA and SR harnesses. I thinks it around $150USD. The only problem with that is that you would need a complete uncut harness for the SR.

and then if you get an uncut harness for the sr, there;s no point in getting that nismo harness...cuz you would just need the ecu and it would be a plug and play application then.

the sr20det MOTOR is cheap...the whole thing to do the conversion (wiring, ecu, tranny, ignition pack, intercooler, etc.) is expensive.

Nick

Nx2k · 09-10-2002, 02:52 PM

i think bensa meant $1500 cdn but im sure he meant that's for the bare motor from AWD platform to transfer into FWD cuz all that other mumbo jumbo is useless to us FWD guys.
but for the 240SX, u would need the tranny, ecu, harness and even still, the ecu/harness may not work properly with usdm car, u will most likely have to go aftermarket.
the silvia/180 motors complete will probably run atleast north of 2500