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It's time for a new muffler. I searched the Gen2 threads:
Per Hotwheelharmer:
11-17-2003, 09:05 AM
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Yes the V6 muffler bolts up to a camry with a 4cylinder in it. MY 89 camry has the V6 muffler on it. I think the V6 is a little bit more free flowing but you really wont feel it much. Really the only thing different you will notice is that the V6 has dual tip.
The Celica OEM muffler will not fit Camry.
6cyl. muffler will not fit 4 cyl. car
Sedan muffler will fit wagon, but bent end tip will need to be installed (sedan muffler is 1 inch shorter, but it bolts to wagon-I did that to my).
$20 at a muffler shop they'll weld any muffler youve got on there for ya
I'm suspect that's true. However, I've been very pleased with the quality of genuine Toyota mufflers and would like to use a higher performance OEM muffler if possible.
FWIW, the attraction to the:
V6 Camry muffler is the possiblity of simple bolt-on installation ease on an I4.
Celica GT/GTS muffler is the potential for higher performance, relatively quiet operation, & OEM quality.
you say that you want a high performance OEM muffler... but that's kind of a... well doesn't make sense. Tommy is right, for very little money at all, a muffler shop will be happy to weld anything up into your exhaust system.
Just a side note on wanting a free flowing muffler... the i4 camry's stock muffler is barely restrictive. you could just totally remove your muffler and drive the car with nothing on there, and you wont notice much, if any difference in your total power... You wont notice a HP gain really unless you remove your cat, and replace it with a high flow cat, or if you wanna be illegal, run with out a cat. basically... an I4 camry's exhaust is good as is. I myself have an HKS high power muffler on my camry, and I also have headers, with a high flow cat... I like the sound of the HKS muff... but I certainly would have been fine keeping a stock muffler on my car performance wise.
if you want the v6 muff, or the celica muff, then yeah, you can certainly get them to put that together for you, but there just really is not any point in doing that what so ever.
Last edited by WVcamry3sfe; 10-07-2006 at 06:17 PM.
you say that you want a high performance OEM muffler... but that's kind of a... well doesn't make sense.
A Celica GTS muffler should provide higher performance than the stock I4 Camry muffler. Similarily, a Prelude DOHC VTEC muffler should be reasonably quiet but still have lower back pressure than an OEM Accord muffler.
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Originally Posted by WVcamry3sfe
Just a side note on wanting a free flowing muffler... the i4 camry's stock muffler is barely restrictive. you could just totally remove your muffler and drive the car with nothing on there, and you wont notice much, if any difference in your total power... You wont notice a HP gain really unless you remove your cat, and replace it with a high flow cat, or if you wanna be illegal, run with out a cat. basically... an I4 camry's exhaust is good as is. I myself have an HKS high power muffler on my camry, and I also have headers, with a high flow cat... I like the sound of the HKS muff... but I certainly would have been fine keeping a stock muffler on my car performance wise.
Please tell me about your high flow cat: brand, model #, cost, etc.
well, here's the thing about a high flowing cat for the i4 camry... The i4's stock cat is directly attached to the exhaust manifold in the engine bay. The stock cats to replace them cost about 300 dollars. So in order to get rid of the stock cat, i replaced the manifold with headers. With my camry, I ended up getting pacesetter headers designed for a celica which runs the 3sfe engine. the headers do bolt on directly to the engine itself, but there are some various challenges using these headers in the camry:
1-the o2 sensor hole on the headers needs to be relocated because there is an engine mount that would be in the way otherwise.
2- the holes for the o2 sensor screws aren't exactly in the right spot.
3- the flange at the end of the headers does fit onto the stock downpipe, however the holes once again do not line up for the screws.
my solution to these problems was:
1-relocated the hole for the o2 sensor to the downpipe.
2- had the holes drilled/ modified to line up.
now on to the high flow cat. Doing this is really easy, you just might want to have someone who's good at welding to help you out onthis, or just have someone at a shop somewhere do it for you (i'd suggest the later). All you need to do for the cat, is find one with an inlet and outlet that match the diametre of the piping you already have... and get that thing welded into the exhaust system. since cat's even high flow ones run really hot... make sure you have heat shielding where you need it.
As far as the cat itself, you have options, but none will be "bolt on" Check out magnaflow, they make fairly good ceramic core cat's that flow better than stock. Magnaflow is also among the cheapest I've seen available on the net.
with my exhaust system, it's all custom from front to back... so with a 2nd gen camry you'd be quick to realize, there's really not much in the way of aftermarket performance that is "bolt on" for this car.
A Celica GTS muffler should provide higher performance than the stock I4 Camry muffler. Similarily, a Prelude DOHC VTEC muffler should be reasonably quiet but still have lower back pressure than an OEM Accord muffler.
Please tell me about your high flow cat: brand, model #, cost, etc.
Thanks,
Doesn't really make much sense. When it comes to JUST mufflers...more flow = more sound. Thats all there is to it.. if you want MAXIMUM flow you will have a loud muffler/no muffler. The OEM V6 is VERY restrictive..and so is the OEM Celica. It will not give you performance gains AT ALL, and will only effect your wallet. Toyota use these mufflers to comply with noise regulations and are a trade off to performance. They are also matched to the specific engine its designed for. My V6 put out 65dB with the stock system and new OEM muffler.
2 options here, either go and buy a stock I4 wagon muffler and be done with it. Or, if your after that little bit more, go get a $60 generic muffler welded up at your exhaust shop and enjoy the little gains you get.
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I've previously read good things about Magnaflow and would be interested in adding a a bolt-on magnaflow hi-flow cat. However, given challenges you've described in the the Camry I4 application, I think I'll keep the stock cat converter.
... if you want MAXIMUM flow you will have a loud muffler/no muffler.
Agreed. However, I'm looking for a balance between noise & performance (reasonably quiet but still have lower back pressure) and was hoping that the Celica muffler would offer that balance compared to the stock Camry muffler. Louder exhaust systems attract attention - "Hello officer". I prefer the "sleeper" approach.
When I had my gen2 a few years ago I did this. Basically, you'll get a deeper exhaust note (very subtle, though) and slightly better throttle response. No more power, though, obviously you need stickers for that.
ok, even if there is a power loss/gain, we're talking extremely small numbers, nothing anyone can truely tell a difference with when you are just replacing mufflers. buy a muffler for the look/sound, forget about the performance, its not going to help or hurt you enough to be worth getting your panties in a wad over
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Ditto. Not to mention Toyota doesn't make "performance" mufflers. They re-badge the cheapest muffler lines that aftermarket companies will sell them.
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I would think if you wanted a hi-flo cat you could gut the stock cat, and put one underneath
the car in the long straight stretch of exhaust well in front of the gas tank. bend a piece of sheet metal and bolt it up for a heat shield above it.
Might not be a good idea because of the heat.
If your state doesn't have emissions testing, and nobody's ever replaced the cat, then the things probably not doing anything anyway except for restricting the awesome power of the 3s-fe
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