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Old 12-25-2006, 09:05 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Australia Remove Catalytic Converter?

Hi, I have a 1989 Toyota Camry SV21, I've been Google'in this alot lately, My Catalytic Converter has a piece broken inside and when the car gets hot and I accelerate it sounds terrible rattling around in there. So my only option is to get a new one or to gut the Catalytic Converter and replace it later with a high flow one when I have the money.

From what I can see there is no O2 Sensor after the cat so I think I would be pretty save gutting it and putting it back or putting a straight pipe through.

From what I have read gutting it would increase preformance? Has anyone here done this?

I may be attempting this tommorow, is there any bad side effects of removing the Catalytic Converter?
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Old 12-25-2006, 09:45 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Hi, I have a 1989 Toyota Camry SV21, I've been Google'in this alot lately, My Catalytic Converter has a piece broken inside and when the car gets hot and I accelerate it sounds terrible rattling around in there. So my only option is to get a new one or to gut the Catalytic Converter and replace it later with a high flow one when I have the money.

From what I can see there is no O2 Sensor after the cat so I think I would be pretty save gutting it and putting it back or putting a straight pipe through.

From what I have read gutting it would increase preformance? Has anyone here done this?

I may be attempting this tommorow, is there any bad side effects of removing the Catalytic Converter?
It's funny you bring this up.
I gutted my cat about two months ago and I couldnt be any happier.
The car is definately peppier....especially on the highway!
There's no bad effects, in fact, it's better for the engine!!......less backpressure = a happier easier running engine(and it's not too much less where your actually hurting the low-end power)
I usually gut the cats out of all the cars that Ive owned....where I live, it's quite easy to get away with it on the older pre-ODBII vehicles.

It's pretty easy to do, but a bit messy. you do it from underneath, NOT from the top!
First thing you do is remove the O2 sensor from the top(when gutting the cat, it's easy to damage it with the tool your using to gut it), it's only held on by two screws.
You then jack the car up and undo the three nuts (spray them with liquid wrench and let it soak in beforehand)that hold the flex pipe to the cat(dont fret if one, two, or all three studs come off with the nut).
Then undo the bracket that holds the flex pipe to the bracket. Now carefully pull the flex pipe off of the 3 studs protruding from the cat. Move the flex pipe to the side and with a long type of screwdriver or pipe and hammer(I also used a cordless drill with a long masonary bit, it's it's not neccassary), start banging away. Be patient, it can be frustrating getting some of the chunks out.
Also there's a metal screen inside and these two metal rings inside.
The screen can easily be pulled out with plyers, but the rings are trickier. Just pull and pull and bend the rings enough and work it from side to side rapidly and break the rings and then pull them out.

On a side note, the only Gen2 Camrys with after-cat O2 sensors are the California cars.
Good luck and let us now how it went
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Old 12-25-2006, 12:10 PM   #3 (permalink)
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stupid california ~!!! oh wait that's where i live
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Well I'm about to get started, I think this is the original cat from when the car was first made so its old and I think I may even end up pulling out the angle grinder to get the bolts off.
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Hey IvanHoe, did it increase your gas mileage any?
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Old 12-25-2006, 09:30 PM   #6 (permalink)
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i did mine last year when i got the car running, almost as good as a 3sge manifold
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Ok done... I did it all under the car and ran it for 2mins to get any thing that was left out.
Took it for a drive and that sound is gone and it seems to have a little bit more power in the lower revs now so I'm happy
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Should I disconnect the negitive cable to the battery to reset the computer?
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Hey IvanHoe, did it increase your gas mileage any?
a little bit


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Should I disconnect the negitive cable to the battery to reset the computer?
nope not neccesary, these cars are pre-ODBII

Did you pull those rings out that I mentioned? Was it a P.I.T.A. for you too?
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There was only one ring, It actually came in handy I grabbed it with needle nose pliers and twisted it around untill it broke all the honeycomb it was holding then just pulled it out

If there were 2 rings then it probadly never would have broken like it did, just seemd to have one ring in the middle hm...

Now I've just goto budget for a new Catalytic Converter and get some quotes. One thing I have noticed about not having the Catalytic Converter is that its a little louder & smellyer but nothing too bad.
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There was only one ring, It actually came in handy I grabbed it with needle nose pliers and twisted it around untill it broke all the honeycomb it was holding then just pulled it out

If there were 2 rings then it probadly never would have broken like it did, just seemd to have one ring in the middle hm...

Now I've just goto budget for a new Catalytic Converter and get some quotes. One thing I have noticed about not having the Catalytic Converter is that its a little louder & smellyer but nothing too bad.
For sure there are TWO rings.

Why would you put in a new cat? you have solved the problem....and even added some HP to the car!
The cat for the 3sfe is not cheap!.......save your money
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Strange, I only found one... If I get time tommorow I will take it apart again and check with a torch... I only looked in with the sunlight around me and it seemed pretty damn clean as I had been running the car for 2 mins to clear everything out.
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I only found that one ring, I double checked and couldnt see anything else.
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The one big negative to removig or gutting the cat is if you get caught for it by the EPA. I know its unlikely but its somewhere in the neighborhood of a $10K fine for tampering with emission control devices. And they pay people for ratting out other people. On the other hand there should be some very slight preformance gains, especially if its breaking up and restricting the exhaust.
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^thats bs.

In SC you arent even required to have one. Hell, as long as your neighbors dont complain, you dont have to have a muffler.
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