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Hey guys... I finally had a successful night at the dragstrip in the Camry. The first two times I too it out I had a clutch failure (leaky tranny seal) and a broken axle (to aggressive on the driving, possibly defective axle).
The setup: 3rd gen 3s-gte motor from a '95 JDM Celica GT4, E153 5-speed with KAAZ LSD, HKS intake, 3" downpipe/2.5" cat-back exhaust, EBC set at 16lbs. I was running my normal 205/50/16 street tires (Falken GRB451) at 35psi and a full interior with spare tire and all...
This is only my 4th time ever on a dragstrip, so there are definitely still some improvements to be made. I'm pretty sure I can get my 60' time down in the 2.1 range with these tires, and less wheelspin at the top of 1st should get my ET's down some more. After some more practice in the 1/8th, I'll take it out to a 1/4 mile track to see what it can really do.
-Charlie
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It would be nice to see a quarter mile time in the future, once you get all the bugs worked out with the car, and harnessing the power. It is just hard to put 1/8 mile into perspective, since everything is based on the 1/4. I want to see how fast your set up is, at least get us a 1/4 mile time!
Congrats on all the hard work, and finally getting some numbers to be proud of.
Looks like you're in the time range the times for a lightly modified M/T v6, or a modified A/T v6. Will be intersting to see what happens as you get more experiance with it, and you start adding more boost.
cool beans on the 1/8m track tho. we have one afew miles from my house. fun stuff!
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It is just hard to put 1/8 mile into perspective, since everything is based on the 1/4.
That must be nice All we have around here are 1/8 tracks
the easiest calculator I know of is to multiply the ET by 1.56 to get a rough guess of the 1/4 ET. Again, roughly a 9.33 translates to a 14.55 but since the 60ft isn't as good as it could have been, the MPH is high for the ET and the car would probably backhalf better than it would otherwise appear. Maybe some 14.0-14.1s on the tires you went to the track with.
As far as the slips are concerned, 79 is a pretty good MPH for that ET. With slicks, the car would probably run some high 8.80s or so. You might pick up a MPH or so but you would definetely be into the 8s.
A couple of years back in my falcon, I ran a 9.20 @ 83 with a 2.13 60ft. Went back out on ET Streets and it dropped to a 8.64 @ 84 with a 1.85 60ft.
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its amazinging of how much rubber makes a difference in any kinda of racing! Good tires for me in autox bring me into competitive range... I read somewhere that having a competitive car is 70% driver, 25% tire 5% suspension. I'd assume drag racing the suspension aint all that important tho cause you dont have to worry about turning
its amazinging of how much rubber makes a difference in any kinda of racing! Good tires for me in autox bring me into competitive range... I read somewhere that having a competitive car is 70% driver, 25% tire 5% suspension. I'd assume drag racing the suspension aint all that important tho cause you dont have to worry about turning
When you start putting down some big power suspension plays into the traction during the launch. I don't know what works best, but for the most we won't have to worry about anything major in suspension. I love the speed channel, its so informative.
For anything slower mid 7s in the 1/8, you really don't have to worry about shock settings or pinion angle too much. Put some slicks on it and it will pick up a lot. Now preface that with, is the chassis working as efficiently as it can? No . . . but typical gains would only be a tenth or two.
the guy I work for has an 86 mustang with a 393 and two kits. Its best run on the motor has been a 6.18 @ 111 and on 250 it went some low 5.70s @ 121.
He has a friend of his that does chassis adjustments and I usually do the grunt work of adjusting the anti-roll bar/shock settings. A shortened version is you want the stiffest shock settings in the back you can get away with and usually the loosest in the front you can get away with without having the front wheels up in the air for too long. All an anti-roll bar does is make sure it hits both tires equally so that the car leaves straight.
So its obviously not as important as in road racing, but when you have a 700rwhp car that can only run mid 6s at a high MPH, its probably frustrating and embrassing. You can make all the power in the world, but if it can't hook up . . .
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I got back to the strip last night... Dropped another 1/10th on my fastest run with the same 60' time. I think I did a bit better on my shifts on that run... not sure though.
60': 2.332
1/8: 9.226
MPH: 80.34
I had a good time and nothing broke.
-charlie
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2003 Impreza WRX Wagon 5spd - 2.2L stroker + other goodies
1989 Camry Alltrac LE 3S-GTE 5spd - SV25/ST205 hybrid
1990 Camry 3S-GTE 5spd - parted out / junked
1990 Camry DX 3S-FE 5spd - The original white90dx; gone but not forgotten
I finally drove my camry the other day and it wouldn't hit second to save its life.
Wouldn't be a fair comparison... I have an E153 transmission, not an S51. I have decent dual cone synchros on second, the S51 is pretty weak all around. My old S51 would grid in 3rd if you shifted wrong, and it would clunk a bit when shifting quickly, of course, it has about 320k miles on it...
I haven't tried power shifting yet, but there are no issues shifting quickly at any RPM with my new transmission.
-Charlie
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2003 Impreza WRX Wagon 5spd - 2.2L stroker + other goodies
1989 Camry Alltrac LE 3S-GTE 5spd - SV25/ST205 hybrid
1990 Camry 3S-GTE 5spd - parted out / junked
1990 Camry DX 3S-FE 5spd - The original white90dx; gone but not forgotten
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All we have around here are 1/8 tracks
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