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Old 05-07-2007, 08:51 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question turbo 3s-fe

hello i need some help, i want to turbo my 3s-fe ,but i don't no what to do or what i need but i think i have some of the parts in order to turbo it like a

1.turbo exhaust manifold

2.ct26 with internal wastgate

3.custom down pipe

4. a hydra nemesis engine management system.

5.racing fuel pump.

6.HKS BOV

7.HKS INTERCOOLER

8.turbo air filter

9. FPR

10. FUEL RAIL

11. underdrive crank pulley

and that's it. also i heard that my car is water cooled will i still be able to run turbo???

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Old 05-07-2007, 09:14 PM   #2 (permalink)
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search, for the love of god use the search button. and, by your last statement, i can tell you have no idea what your doing.
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even with a successfully charged 3sfe he's not going to put out big power...
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even with a successfully charged 3sfe he's not going to put out big power...
Very true...
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hello i need some help, i want to turbo my 3s-fe ,but i don't no what to do or what i need but i think i have some of the parts in order to turbo it like a

..... also i heard that my car is water cooled will i still be able to run turbo???

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Seriously buddy, abandon any notion you may have of a turbo project. Nothing good can come out of this, judging by the statements you've made.
Not trying to be an ass or slam you in any way! I'm all about

You need a high level of expertise and knowledge of custom fabrication in order to pull off a succcessful turbo project, as well as a fairly high level of in-depth knowledge of your car.

Seriously, PM me if you're interested in selling your manifold. I've designed 2 turbo systems and built 1 (for a 2.2L S-10), and have been thinking about a low-level boost setup for my Camry.
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And you left out a high level of financing.

That last line .... have you ever seen the engine??? I think you should get rid of that nasty water cooled engine a put a Boxer with bigger jugs and a RayJay Turbo under the hood, but you will have to change to a IRS Transaxel and put a LSD in there to get all 98hp to the ground.

Seriously though .... you will probably need to add some bigger injectors to your list.

If I were you, I would be looking for an early MkIV VW .... 99 - 01 model, and upgrade the factory turbo engine as you have funds, the running turboed car will cost less than getting all that on the 3SFE .... and if you are just doing it to be sneaky .... get the Beetle Like I Have.
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And you left out a high level of financing.

*snip*

If I were you, I would be looking for an early MkIV VW .... 99 - 01 model, and upgrade the factory turbo engine as you have funds, the running turboed car will cost less than getting all that on the 3SFE .... and if you are just doing it to be sneaky .... get the Beetle Like I Have.
It is totally possible to run a turbo car for cheaper than the route you suggested... but, you definitely need a higher level of knowledge to do it. Or do a motor swap - much more expensive, but more power and higher reliability. Reliable, fast and cheap: pick two.


^^^My current motor.

I ran a turbo 3s-fe for about 10k miles without serious issues before swapping the motor, but I was constantly under the hood keeping things running. If I didn't know what I was doing and didn't have a second car, I would have been in deep trouble more than a few times.

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My S-10 was nicely done (If I do say so myself ), and it was a budget project. I had pretty close to $1000 into it.
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Charlie .... I suggested the VW becuase that is what I know, and I have about half of what homegrown had in his whole S-10 project just in software, and the other in downpipe, and then there is more, but I get 18-20PSI reliably. Looks like you have been doing some work under that hood .... it looks a lot different than the Gen2 I got for my kid. That isn't a camry motor is it?

I would have suggested he try a Turbo Supra .... but I know that would po the toyota performance crew that are purist and wouldn't want to see one in the hands of someone that didn't know whether to put air or water in the radiator! I was also gonna suggest a WRX Boxer ... but for the same reason didn't.

Pick 2 is correct ... unless you stay within the OEM specs somewhat .... I have all 3 in the dub, and am only looking for 2 in the camry, cheap and reliable and no turbo.
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^^ lol that's not a camry engine it's the 3sgte
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Here's the setup I had in my dime....
It was real low-level boost, 10 psi max. The 2.2 is a pretty weak engine, and I didn't want to lose reliability (especially since it had 115k miles on it when I turboed it).




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2nd Generation ah yeah about that

all good ideas execpt the vw, actually i have seen some bad bugs but i personally wouldn't touch anything else. what all these people are trying to say to you is that the root you are looking to go takes a lot of research and study time before you even touch those oil cooling lines. It is an expensive one because camry are not on the top of the list for turbo comanys to make kits. you can run the turbo in your 3sfe but i wont push past 10 pounds of boost especially if that is your only mode of transport. If that is the project that you want to do than do it and who knows you might all show us, but do your research and look into other turbo projects. there is a car forum that is for home made turbo's cars that you just know would blow up or wouldnt be worth the effort but turn out pretty cool.
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Excuse me for not introducing myself first I'm currently working on building a 2VZ engine that will be fitted in my MR2... And basically, I have no experience with working on cars or anything. But so far I managed to pull the engine out of the donor car, and tearing the engine apart. Waiting for an engine revision kit with ROSS pistons, Toga HV pump and some other nice goodies. One of the things I found is that there aren't a lot of people that have tuned the shit out of their 2VZ. Or at least, if there are, they won't tell on this forum! Or I completely missed it...

But tuning an engine is done by pioneers like you guys. And you guys gained knowledge on it when doing it! I think it would be a nice thing to show us some of your knowledge instead of kicking JCR's idea down. Tell him what he really needs and tell about what NOT to do.

I never turbo'd an engine before as well, heck, I even didn't build an engine yet. But since people do write stuff I'm sure I would be able to get a turbo working. Perhaps the engine would blow up on me straight away but hey, I would certainly learn of it! (I agree with not doing it if you don't have a spare car).

JCR, my do's would be (but hey, I never done it and you might as well blow your engine this way... Never trust people that claim they have no automotive skills ):

* measure the maximum exhaust gas temp when the car is still N/A (install a gauge or so in your exhaustheader)
* research how much HP you can run with stock injectors
* research what must be done to measure the air that the engine sucks in. The ECU currently probably measures the vacuum that is created but I think you'd be better off with some kind of MAF conversion kit that connects to your stock ECU. You might need that since your ECU measures the vacuum and not the boost. You also need the ability to alter the A/F ratio freely.
* research how to drill an oil tap and oil return to feed your turbo with. Note that you just need a few PSI of oil pressure to feed the turbo. Too much pressure will destroy it. Also, use engine oil that is meant for turbo'd cars.
* your engine sure has watercooling. 99% of today's engines have... Unless you get yourself a ball bearing turbo you gonna need to tap the water to cool the turbo!
* Get the header and bolt on a turbo that fits your engine size! (but keep the temp gauge between engine and turbo!) I wouldn't go much higher than 5PSI in first place and don't expect the engine to be strong enough to take more than 1.25-1.5 times your current torque and power.
* Fit an intercooler that's big enough to cool your intake air.
* If you don't lower your compression, get a device that enables you to retard your ignition timing! You can get devices that will retard it proportionally with your boost.
* Get a boost gauge
* Get a oil pressure gauge
* Oh and look into dump valves and wastegates.

When everything is connected, make sure you get 12:1 (very rich) A/F ratio, make sure your ignition is retarded to the maximum and really don't run much boost.
Then give it a go! Take an eye on the exhaust temp gauge. I think it is best to keep the temperature in the same range as it did stock. Perhaps it no problem to have it up to 10% higher but I don't know! Now, you could tune it by 1) having a less retarded ignition 2) run higher A/F ratio. 3) increase boost.

Never run more boost than your injectors can handle! I.E. If you currently have 120HP, and the injectors can inject just enough for doing 150HP, don't run more than (150/120)*14-14= 3.5 PSI of boost

My theory behind this: When adding more mixture in the cilinder, the combustion temp and cilinder pressure will rise. You don't want this to be too much since Toyota only has *some* tolerance. To lower cilinder pressure you can lower static compression, but retarding the ignition does kind of the same. Richer fuel mixture cools down the combustion temp as well. The big intercooler makes sure the air is cooled sufficiently and thus not adding to a higher combustion temp.

In my opinion you need some specialized devices to get the A/F ratio tuned correctly. Also, perhaps you have to change the O2 sensor since your stock ECU might not like the rich A/F ratio and decide to get it leaner....

Have fun doing it and make sure you have a running spare car... Or a bike or so...

Ok guru's I would like to know how far I could get using these theories... Am I forgetting important stuff?

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This isn't mr2oc/board. Here, people get bikini waxed with nair when they ask something that's been answered 3,000 times. It's also a few week old thread & he hasn't been back since the 13th.

Are you asking the above on your 2vz or a typical 3s? 3s's are too weak to be pushed. They're like... Overweight D series Honda engines strength wise. Well.... Piston wise. The rest of the enigne is much better. At any rate. You won't see any 3s-fe's making 220bhp for any length of time without water/alcohol or a rebuild.




On your 2vz... Move the oil filter. Weld a turbo to a flange fitting the front bank pipe it, oil it & call it a day. No reason you couldn't make 200bhp without any management blowing throuh your AFM. 300bhp with an injector swap, fuel pump & regulator - still blowing through the AFM.
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hi danny
This isn't mr2oc/board. Here, people get bikini waxed with nair when they ask something that's been answered 3,000 times. It's also a few week old thread & he hasn't been back since the 13th.

Are you asking the above on your 2vz or a typical 3s? 3s's are too weak to be pushed. They're like... Overweight D series Honda engines strength wise. Well.... Piston wise. The rest of the enigne is much better. At any rate. You won't see any 3s-fe's making 220bhp for any length of time without water/alcohol or a rebuild.




On your 2vz... Move the oil filter. Weld a turbo to a flange fitting the front bank pipe it, oil it & call it a day. No reason you couldn't make 200bhp without any management blowing throuh your AFM. 300bhp with an injector swap, fuel pump & regulator - still blowing through the AFM.
Hi Toys.. Thanks for your response!

Haha, gotta admit, very true! People already turbo'd the 3SFE and he didn't ask any specific questions. Though, on the other hand, I wouldn't come back either if I would get shot like that

Basically, I was asking it for engines in general. I also have a 75HP SEAT cordoba (I guess not very familiar in the States, but it is a VAG group car) and I might mess a little with that thing first before I step to turboing the VZ. Want to get the VZ swapped and running strong first!

Do you know any people around with turbo'd 2VZ's? Mounted in a MR2 I'm not sure if there would be enough space down there to slam on a turbo. What kind of turbo would you go for on a 2VZ?

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