I joined the Alltrac club!! (teaser pic inside) - Toyota Nation Forum : Toyota Car and Truck Forums

white90dx · 10-25-2007, 01:45 PM

I was up in Sacramento this past weekend and found a *really clean* '89 LE Alltrac Camry for sale. Light blue exterior, dark blue interior. The interior is perfect - no tears, wear or fading. The exterior has a few dings and scratches, but the paint is very glossy and there is absolutely no body rust. The motor runs fine and the transmission shifts fine - too bad it is so slow! (I'm used to driving a 400lb lighter, almost 300hp manual transmission Camry!)

And here's the teaser:

I've been crazy busy at work since getting back and will be out of town next week... so more pics will have to wait. I just wanted to share my excitement.

For the next 6 months or so, this will be my girlfriends daily driver and will just get tint, a small stereo and a new alarm. After that, the building of the 300+hp, AWD Camry monster begins!

-Charlie

WVcamry3sfe · 10-25-2007, 01:53 PM

awesome to see you got an AWD camry! can't wait till six months down the road and you get the camry hooked up with a 3sgte

atobe · 10-25-2007, 02:04 PM

oh crazy !!!... you want my intercooler? i won't be using it

white90dx · 10-25-2007, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by atobe

oh crazy !!!... you want my intercooler? i won't be using it

I'll be swapping everything over from my old Camry, do an auto->manual swap and all that. In the end, my old Camry will just have to go to a junkyard (I don't have enough parts to make two working cars if I put the 3s-gte in the Alltrac).

-Charlie

mudman · 03-06-2008, 08:35 PM

Man I wish these came out in Australia..... Did they have them in Jap? Maybe I could get an import.....

white90dx · 03-06-2008, 08:54 PM

AWD Camrys were available in Japan from '88 through around '00, I think. They are definitely available in the gen2 body style. They were only available in the US as a gen2 form '88-'91.

My Alltrac now has a decent alarm installed with some nice features (interior light control, hood and trunk pins, trunk popper and window roll up and down modules). I also put in the Subaru double-din 6-disk CD changer / tape / AM/FM stereo in it. Even with the stock speakers, it makes a huge improvement! My girlfriend is still driving it though, so I only see it on weekends - and I still need to take some nice pictures of it all cleaned up.

-Charlie

TBayToyotaBoy · 03-06-2008, 11:23 PM

Yes! we need pics, pics, pics...

ReverendDexter · 03-07-2008, 07:14 PM

Interesting to me that your 4WD light says "AUTO" - my '89 says "LOCK".

Speaking of which, when the diff lock is engaged, I know this locks the diff between front and rear, is this the same diff for the front axles as well? What I mean by that, is that I'm used to 3-diff setups (like in a subaru), but I don't really see where there could be 2 differentials in that front transaxle.

camrygt4 · 03-07-2008, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ReverendDexter

Interesting to me that your 4WD light says "AUTO" - my '89 says "LOCK".

Speaking of which, when the diff lock is engaged, I know this locks the diff between front and rear, is this the same diff for the front axles as well? What I mean by that, is that I'm used to 3-diff setups (like in a subaru), but I don't really see where there could be 2 differentials in that front transaxle.

There are two alltrac transmissions one has a viscous center diff and one is locking like yours and mine. The lock is for the center diff only it dose not affect the front or rear diff at all. The lock was an option it gives a true 50/50 split and wont burn up in snow or offroad but can only be used at low speeds. The viscous is beter for the street, all the celicas are viscous.

white90dx · 03-08-2008, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ReverendDexter

Interesting to me that your 4WD light says "AUTO" - my '89 says "LOCK".

Speaking of which, when the diff lock is engaged, I know this locks the diff between front and rear, is this the same diff for the front axles as well? What I mean by that, is that I'm used to 3-diff setups (like in a subaru), but I don't really see where there could be 2 differentials in that front transaxle.

The auto transmission has an auto locking center differential (supposed to be set on 'auto' unless you need to be open for some reason). The manual transmission is 'open' unless you need it to be locked (the 'lock' button). I believe in both/all cases the center diff has some amount of viscous coupling to distribute torque front and rear.

There are effectively 3-diffs in the car, just like any other AWD/4WD. In the case of a FWD-style AWD system, the front and center differentials are in the same location behind the motor, effectively one inside the other. When the diff is locked, the front and rear axles rotate the same speed, but each wheel on each axle can still spin at different rates compared to the opposite side.

-Charlie

camrygt4 · 03-08-2008, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by white90dx

The auto transmission has an auto locking center differential (supposed to be set on 'auto' unless you need to be open for some reason). The manual transmission is 'open' unless you need it to be locked (the 'lock' button). I believe in both/all cases the center diff has some amount of viscous coupling to distribute torque front and rear.

There are effectively 3-diffs in the car, just like any other AWD/4WD. In the case of a FWD-style AWD system, the front and center differentials are in the same location behind the motor, effectively one inside the other. When the diff is locked, the front and rear axles rotate the same speed, but each wheel on each axle can still spin at different rates compared to the opposite side.

According to the diagram in my alltrac repair manual the E56F5 has no viscous coupling in the center diff or anywear else.

-Charlie

boi_si · 03-09-2008, 12:27 PM

wtf? u came to sac to pick it up.. damn u...

i feel u though... flooring the gas pedal on the camry is not fun... knowing ur other car has a 3sgte.

Wangan · 03-10-2008, 11:43 PM

damn I need to join the club soon. Your all trac is probably exactly like my fwd same color scheme anyway.

ReverendDexter · 03-12-2008, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by white90dx

After that, the building of the 300+hp, AWD Camry monster begins!

-Charlie

So how much torque does the stock AllTrac transaxle and rear diff hold up to? I've contemplated the 3S-GTE swap, and my biggest fear with it is blowing up transmissions and rear ends... especially those rear ends. My thought was to stick with a mostly stock early 3S-GTE, so it's "only" putting out 180-200hp.

And is 400 lbs the difference in weight between an AllTrac and a 2wd? I haven't been able to weigh mine yet, so I'm not sure what these things weigh.

camrygt4 · 03-12-2008, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ReverendDexter

So how much torque does the stock AllTrac transaxle and rear diff hold up to? I've contemplated the 3S-GTE swap, and my biggest fear with it is blowing up transmissions and rear ends... especially those rear ends. My thought was to stick with a mostly stock early 3S-GTE, so it's "only" putting out 180-200hp.

And is 400 lbs the difference in weight between an AllTrac and a 2wd? I haven't been able to weigh mine yet, so I'm not sure what these things weigh.

Iv been driving mine since July on stock camry drive train and not had a single problem. I drive with a bunch of subaru guys just as hard as they do and Im faster than most of them. You wont have any troble with 180-200 hp Im pushing 300 now. The rear diff is the same for the camry and the celica accept for gear ratio.