3S-FE to 3S-G(T)E?

[PaulyJay]

I want to know if it's possible to convert my 3sfe to a 3sge/gte. anyone got any hints? i've never seen a ge or gte so i wouldn't know the first thing about it. gimme an exhaust i can fix it, gimme an air filter setup i can fix it. head gasket, same. engine types sizes change overs n stuff not dealing with original parts. nuh uh. so any help any one?

[Venom_5]

you could swap heads, since the F stands for "economy / narrow-angle DOHC" and the G would be "performance / wide-angle DOHC" ... those are the two big differences, is the design of the two

but i would have to advise against that as it isnt really justifiable for the price/effort, you could probably complete a swap just as easy if you know your way around a car and can find a good donor

people in the past have had trouble mating heads, but im sure there are success stories out there too

one thing to notice is that the 5S-FE in the Gen 3 & 4 Camry is basically a stroked 3S-FE

[PaulyJay]

http://www.babcox.com/editorial/ar/ar400108.htm

yeah, i was checkin this site out. while he makes it sound simple it's not. i'd have to replace the bottome end too. to really get it goin that is. to be honest if i'm gonna do a complete change over i'd be better goin the turboed option. not sure but. maybe turbo's a bit too ambitious. if i take a 5sfe and put it in what else would i need to change? can someone with some know how give me a list?

[PaulyJay]

I've gotta bump this back up. has anyone done a direct swap like this? i want either a 5S-FE(Venom's Idea) or a 3S-GE. i was looking turbo, but i've got enough problems working out how DOHC works without trowing a turbo into the fold. even if noone has done it but know how, please impart your wisdom. these mods won't happen till about 4 months from now but i need to know how much cash to work up!

[Venom_5]

the 5S-FE is going to be the cheapest - it should be a direct swap [engine, harness, ecu] to a 3S-FE engine bay .... if i remember correctly, they are almost identical

if somehow you could get your hands on a BEAMS 3S-GE, it will blow the 5S-FE out of the water ... but a 3S-GTE will still beat either of the two

[Venom_5]

here are some numbers:

5S-FE
Engine:
2.2L four EFI DOHC

Horsepower:
1990-92 130 hp (97 kW)@5400 rpm
1993-95 135 hp (101 kW)@5400 rpm
1996-01 125 hp (93 kW)@5400 rpm

Torque:
1990-95 145@4400 rpm
1996-01 145@4400 rpm

Bore:
3.43 in
Stroke:
3.58 in
Compression ratio:
9.5:1

Beams 3S-GE (the 4th gen 3S-GE)
2.0L Inline 4 w/ VVT-i
Bore x Stroke: 86 x 86 mm (3.39 x 3.39 in)

Red Top: 197 bhp @ 7000 rpm
Black Top: 207 bhp @ 7600 rpm
Grey Top: 177 bhp @ 6600 rpm

3S-GTE
2.0L Turbocharged Inline 4
Bore x Stroke: 86 x 86 mm (3.39 x 3.39 in)

1st Gen: 182 hp / 184 ft-lbs tq [Found in: Celica ST165]
2nd Gen: 221 hp / 224 ft-lbs tq [ST185 & MR2]
3rd Gen: 241 hp / 224 ft-lbs tq [ST205 & MR2]
4th Gen: 256 hp / 239 ft-lbs tq [Caldina ST215 & Celica ST246]

[PaulyJay]

rightio..... now to get prices. grrrr.... grumble. why do most places here in aus close til next week?

[PaulyJay]

what was the VVTi 3S-GE mounted in standard? some of the wrecker here in tas are stupid and don't catalogue thier parts. just cars.

[Venom_5]

the Altezza, Celica, Corona, and MR2

since over half of them arent in America, youll have trouble finding a BEAMS 3S-GE

[camryfour]

Originally Posted by Venom_5

the Altezza, Celica, Corona, and MR2

since over half of them arent in America, youll have trouble finding a BEAMS 3S-GE

It should be a bit easier for him since he's in Australia.

[camryfour]

Originally Posted by PaulyJay

what was the VVTi 3S-GE mounted in standard? some of the wrecker here in tas are stupid and don't catalogue thier parts. just cars.

The Caldina's had them too (only the non-GT-T ones; the GT-T ones have 3s-gte.)

[PaulyJay]

Yeea! Pop corn Playa! gonna be sik wit all the setup i'ma goin for. Picture it, camry SV21 Station Wagon, all standard to outward appearances, except for a bonnet scoop. but under the hood it'll really surprise. a 3S-GE Beams VVTi bolted to a 5 spd celica trans! whoa! that's what i call cheap sleeper. and best of all, my new line. if it aint toyota or built for toyota it aint goin in. what do you suggest exhaust wise? will i be able to keep my stock exhaust? or should i get a new setup?

[Venom_5]

oh, youre in australia .... i didnt catch that

lucky dog

[white90dx]

Whoa boy...

You are probably in quite over your head here.

Generally, you will need *all* the matching electronic that goes with the motor you are putting into the car.

Unless you really know what you are doing you should not do any hybrid motors (GE or GTE head on a 3s-fe bottom end, etc).

The one minor exception to this - you can run a 5s-fe with your current 3s-fe intake manifold, exhaust manifold, distributor an electronics and gain a few horses if you want to replace your tired old motor.

-Charlie

PS. I have a 3s-gte in my Camry - been there done that.

[Venom_5]

^ a man after my own heart ....

toyota + subaru owner, and a 3S-GTE camry owner

the two cars i wish to have: 3S-GTE camry, and a WRX!