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Actually that's not entirely true. At least not when I talked to our local Japanese tuner. He said that it is possible to design a piggyback ecu and mate the 3S-GTE engine with an auto tranny. But we didn't get into any details so that's where we left it at.
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On 2002-02-11 05:13, Talisman18 wrote:
Just so that you are aware man, you would not be using your auto trans if you swapped engines, at least if you swapped engines for a 3sgte. The 3sgte was only avilable with a stick so you would have to change your car to a manual. Only relatively easy(bolt in) engine swap you could do and keep an auto would be to the 3sge engine. On another note though, I have always wanted to see someone fix up a 2vz-fe just to see what kind of power someone could get from it.
On 2002-02-11 09:58, speedemn wrote:
Actually that's not entirely true. At least not when I talked to our local Japanese tuner. He said that it is possible to design a piggyback ecu and mate the 3S-GTE engine with an auto tranny. But we didn't get into any details so that's where we left it at.
yeah, I have actually heard that too(from EL prototypes) but I am a little skeptical as to how much work it would take to make it run and shift correctly and efficiently. Also, it would only be so long befor the trans gave up because of the added power although if you babied it, it would probably be all right.
88 LE -> Nice.. yeah, the antenna isn't really that important.. it's been having problems recently, but I really only listen to CD's, so it's no big deal. It's more or less just an eyesore since it's not only barely functional, but also bent.
speedemn -> Hmm. Maybe I'll consult the local alt. shop and see what they know. Hopefully they'll have done some high-output ones before.
talisman -> I'm sure even if I went through with making the 3S-GTE work with an auto tranny, it wouldn't last long. I've been considering converting to a manual before just because I'm not a big fan of auto's. :smile:
Just gotta hope everyone I know that'll ever need to drive my car knows how to drive stick, hehe. That must be the appeal of the newer "sportshift"/"e-shift"/"auto-stick" trannys that a lot of newer cars have - a little flexibility for those who want it, but still can be auto for those who don't.
I've kinda wanted to fix up my car (mostly speedwise) for a while, just haven't had a good knowledge base before. People who ride with me usually say things like, "wow, this has a lot of power for an older camry" and such.. but it's not really enough power for me though. It seems like it'd be a nice feeling to fix up an older family sedan that could run with cars designed with speed in mind that are half it's age :smile:
Anyway, thanks again for the help everyone. You all rule. :grin:
the alt shop might just increase the windings... i've heard of it being done but also it only increases to about 110amperes (for gen 3) im not sure about the numbers but i think gen 3s have approx 90amps, also phoenix gold makes nice alternators if u want u can check them out as well.. a custom alt shop might charge u an arm and a leg for the windings though.. so be careful who u deal with and findout exactly wat they are goin to do...
Gen 3 alternators are 70A for 4cyl and 80A for 6cyl. Yes you can get it "rewound" and it should give you some more power and that is the most cost effective way of doing it... but if you want more then you have to get a new one.
(Note: Local Toyota dealership told me that a 1993 4cyl Camry has 60A and V6 has 70A from their computer, which I find odd, because everywhere else I hear 70/80)
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On 2002-02-11 09:58, speedemn wrote:
Actually that's not entirely true. At least not when I talked to our local Japanese tuner. He said that it is possible to design a piggyback ecu and mate the 3S-GTE engine with an auto tranny. But we didn't get into any details so that's where we left it at.
I've also wondered about this. Eric (EL Prototypes) says that an auto tranny would not work on the 3sgte because no automatic tranny was ever designed for it.
As for the piggy back ECU, it'd be pointless to do because their's no way a 2VZ auto tranny can hold the power of the 3SGTE motor. You might be able to use the 5 speed tranny from the 2vz, but I seriously doubt it can hold the power potential of the 3SGTE and if you were to use a 2vz tranny, why not just go all out and get a Celica 5-speed tranny?
On 2002-02-13 16:34, speedemn wrote:
Gen 3 alternators are 70A for 4cyl and 80A for 6cyl. Yes you can get it "rewound" and it should give you some more power and that is the most cost effective way of doing it... but if you want more then you have to get a new one.
(Note: Local Toyota dealership told me that a 1993 4cyl Camry has 60A and V6 has 70A from their computer, which I find odd, because everywhere else I hear 70/80)
anish i got the same response when i went to the dealership to ask as well... another thing winding is actually not as good performance wise because it breaks down due to heat ( higher current produces more heat) i talked to a friend he said try to look for someone that can custom make u an alternator for ur car that is the safest way but not as cost effective though...
Actually you'd be surprised how much power the stock Toyota trannys can take. Most are in the neighbourhood of 270 - 300 lb.ft torque which accounts for pretty much most Toyota engines (including stock 3S-GTE).
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As for the piggy back ECU, it'd be pointless to do because their's no way a 2VZ auto tranny can hold the power of the 3SGTE motor. You might be able to use the 5 speed tranny from the 2vz, but I seriously doubt it can hold the power potential of the 3SGTE and if you were to use a 2vz tranny, why not just go all out and get a Celica 5-speed tranny?
Joey
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On 2002-02-14 05:20, speedemn wrote:
Actually you'd be surprised how much power the stock Toyota trannys can take. Most are in the neighbourhood of 270 - 300 lb.ft torque which accounts for pretty much most Toyota engines (including stock 3S-GTE).
"Most" Toyota tranny's can.....stock 2VZFE is only rated at around 160 ft lbs or torque. I have a 2VZFE and I'm modding it, I know how much the tranny can hold. You're probably assuming it can hold the power from reading about it. I'm learning about it from experience and driving on it daily, plus I've spoken extensively to a man by the name of Eric Lapka (EL Prototypes), who builds cars for TRD. Can a stock 2VZ automatic tranny hold the power of a stock 3SGTE? The answer is no. A 3SGTE was never designed to run on an a stock Toyota automatic tranny and a 2VZ automatic tranny was never designed to run on a 200 HP+ 3SGTE. Can it be done? Of course it can. Is it a wise move to do so? Of course not.
There's a guy here in California with a green Gen. 3 Camry with a 3SGTE swapped in, running on a 5SFE automatic with a 3SFE brain. You know what? It's a show car....If he ever drove it hard, the tranny would blow to pieces in heartbeat. There's alot of things that can be done theoretically, but in the long run, it wouldn't be very wise to do so. You can put the piece together but more often than not, it won't hold the power you're trying to produce.
Joey
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Not necessarily looking into getting the alt. rewound, but definitely a replacement. Already looked into the rewinding in the past, doesn't seem worth it to me.
StickyDilJoe -> Thanks for the info, and nice ride man. :smile:
Is your tranny still stock (looking at the mod list I'd guess so)? Is it auto or 5spd? I'm wondering how difficult a conversion to a manual is, since:
1) I prefer manual. More "hands-on" and better flexibility, IMHO.
2) I want it to look professional, not like it was just carelessly dropped in.
My only issue is sometimes people unschooled in the art of manual transmissions have to drive my car. :razz:
I was wondering if you guys can help me... Im a noob/newbie at cars, but I got a hand me down 1990 camry with 80,000 miles on it. I was wondering if there was any cool mods and kits I could get to give this bad boy a cooler look and more pow wow.
Somethings I am intrested in:
Gauge Change ( i saw the propcarts.com links, awesome, but 80 bucks is alot of bones for that )
Body kit
Interior changes
etc..
If you guys can give me links, and stuff that would be too awesome.
I was wondering if you guys can help me... Im a noob/newbie at cars, but I got a hand me down 1990 camry with 80,000 miles on it. I was wondering if there was any cool mods and kits I could get to give this bad boy a cooler look and more pow wow.
Somethings I am intrested in:
Gauge Change ( i saw the propcarts.com links, awesome, but 80 bucks is alot of bones for that )
Body kit
Interior changes
etc..
If you guys can give me links, and stuff that would be too awesome.
You can start with lowering the car then getting some wheels, then tint, exhaust if wanted, k&n replacement filter to give it a nice deep throaty sound and a nice sound system .
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