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Timing belt jumped..fixed..now burning oil horribly
The timing belt jumped and caused the motor to not run at all. Set everything back to tdc and reinstalled the belt, but now it is burning oil horribly. It is the 2-sel motor and has recently has the rings and head gasket done. It has always burned a little oil, but now it is smoking while idling and really bad on acceleration. I don't know what could have changed so quickly. The last time I drove it everything was working fine. I parked it and the belt jumped the next time I tried to drive it, and now it burns oil bad.
where is the oil pump on these motors? on some motors the oil pump is driven by the timing belt and when you replace the belt you need to line the marks up on the oil pump. sort of the same way the cam and crank need to be lined up. Did a mechanic do the belt?
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2006 Vibe, White, 1zzfe, auto ( Toyota type IV), AWD, PW, PL, CC, AC, 161,000(5/12/2012)
1998 Camry LE, 4 door, Puke Green, I4(5S-FE), CA Emissions, Auto(A140E), 122k(3/22/2012), AC,CC, ABS, Built in Japan 04/98. Grandmas old car(acquired 7/22/2011), work= precat Denso A/F sensor, NGK wires.
Last edited by Woodyg; 12-18-2009 at 01:39 PM.
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where is the oil pump on these motors? on some motors the oil pump is driven by the timing belt and when you replace the belt you need to line the marks up on the oil pump. sort of the same way the cam and crank need to be lined up. Did a mechanic do the belt?
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i'm far from a mechanical expert and i'm sure somebody else will chime in with better details but ive seen the oil pump! haha. when changing the timing belt, its down near the bottom of the motor and it does run inline with the belt. i have a picture when my timing belt was being changed but its been too long...if i had to guess, i would say its the gear on the left with the 4 circles evenly spaced around it.
i'd want somebody to confirm though
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OP. Well if it runs inline with the TB maybe it needs to be corrected to be in proper time. On my ford ranger there are diamond marks on the block and the oil pump that need to be lined up when installing the TB.
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2006 Vibe, White, 1zzfe, auto ( Toyota type IV), AWD, PW, PL, CC, AC, 161,000(5/12/2012)
1998 Camry LE, 4 door, Puke Green, I4(5S-FE), CA Emissions, Auto(A140E), 122k(3/22/2012), AC,CC, ABS, Built in Japan 04/98. Grandmas old car(acquired 7/22/2011), work= precat Denso A/F sensor, NGK wires.
When I replaced the timing belt during the head gasket/piston rings I never lined anything up. Maybe it just worked out perfect, but I find that hard to believe. I have looked though the Chilton manual and it does not mention anything about aligning the oil pump. It still is possible that it needs to be aligned. I am just really confused as to how the oil problem was so abrupt. Thanks for all the responses.
Still looking for an answer so any more input will be greatly appreciated.
every motor is different chiltons would have told you if you needed to line up the oil pump. when you said you never line anything up you meant the oil pump. you had to line up the crank and camshaft or it would not be running?( thats why it is caled a "timing" belt) I dont know much about these motors . I just had the one thought about the OP when i read it ...lets us know how it gets solved
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2006 Vibe, White, 1zzfe, auto ( Toyota type IV), AWD, PW, PL, CC, AC, 161,000(5/12/2012)
1998 Camry LE, 4 door, Puke Green, I4(5S-FE), CA Emissions, Auto(A140E), 122k(3/22/2012), AC,CC, ABS, Built in Japan 04/98. Grandmas old car(acquired 7/22/2011), work= precat Denso A/F sensor, NGK wires.
every motor is different chiltons would have told you if you needed to line up the oil pump. when you said you never line anything up you meant the oil pump. you had to line up the crank and camshaft or it would not be running?( thats why it is caled a "timing" belt) I dont know much about these motors . I just had the one thought about the OP when i read it ...lets us know how it gets solved
Sorry for being so vague. Yes I did line up the crank shaft and the cam shaft marks. I just did not line up the oil pump shaft to anything. Still having the oil burning problem and still checking/looking for a solution.
Just went out and looked over the car again and the oil burning is not so bad when first started. As the car warms up it gets much worse. I'm thinking of changing the oil to something much thicker to see if that helps anything. Does anyone have any suggestions or recomendations as to which weight to use or if I should do it at all. Keep in mind I do live in Utah and the temps have already been down to the single digits.
what oil where/ are you running now? Did this just start the second you changed the belt? Do you have to add oil to it, could you have overfilled it and it is just burning off? if you put to thick of an oil in there in the cold it could start creating other issues
*you said the belt jumped and the timing was off. did you fix it? and did you have the head and valves checked when the head was off. is your pcv valve and hose working properly?
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2006 Vibe, White, 1zzfe, auto ( Toyota type IV), AWD, PW, PL, CC, AC, 161,000(5/12/2012)
1998 Camry LE, 4 door, Puke Green, I4(5S-FE), CA Emissions, Auto(A140E), 122k(3/22/2012), AC,CC, ABS, Built in Japan 04/98. Grandmas old car(acquired 7/22/2011), work= precat Denso A/F sensor, NGK wires.
and you know........., the thumb rule is that: white smoke is usually caused by coolant water (or antifreeze) entering the combustion chamber; blue smoke is essentially due to oil (lubricants) getting in to the cylinder; and black smoke is generally because there is too much fuel (Diesel / Petrol) being inducted / injected in to the engine. And grey smoke would be due to a mixture of water and (excess) fuel entering in to the combustion chamber.
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2006 Vibe, White, 1zzfe, auto ( Toyota type IV), AWD, PW, PL, CC, AC, 161,000(5/12/2012)
1998 Camry LE, 4 door, Puke Green, I4(5S-FE), CA Emissions, Auto(A140E), 122k(3/22/2012), AC,CC, ABS, Built in Japan 04/98. Grandmas old car(acquired 7/22/2011), work= precat Denso A/F sensor, NGK wires.
Well I think I have diagnosed my problem...It turns out the ignition timing was advanced too much causing pre detonation. My guess is that it was making any existing oil leaks much worse and then burning the oil off. The car is back to its prior condition and appears to be running good.
Also for those who asked: I run Mobil-1 Dino 10w-30 year round
If there are any other comments please let me know
I was going to suggest a compression test to see if:
a) Your rings are going bad and allowing oil in the combustion chamber
b) To see if you messed your valves up when the TB jumped off.
I have not heard of timing your oil pump either... If some engines require this, I would be interested in knowing why?
these motors are non-interference you cannot damage them if the belt breaks.
And that means the smoke you were getting from the exhaust was grey or black, not blue as would indicate oil. The car was burning very rich because of improper ignition timing.
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