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Old 09-20-2010, 10:55 AM   #1 (permalink)
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90 Camry starting problems - safety switch???

A year ago I had intermitant starting problems with my 90 Camry (145K)that I usually could overcome by shifting the gear shift around and then retrying to start. I would turn the key and just get a click - nothing more. It became frequent enough that my mechanic recommended a new starter. I had my doubts but it was a 19 yr old starter. Recently, it has started doing this again, maybe once every 20 starts. Again, almost always happens when hot but once it did occur when cold. And shifting up and down a few times gets it going again.

How to diagnose? I don't want to become stranded 50 miles from home on my daily commute? Is it more likely the shift safety switch? Anything else I should think of? Would it be cheap enough to put in a new safety shift switch as a precaution? Otherwise, this car has been a rock for me.
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This sounds like the common worn starter solenoid contacts problem. Do a search on this forum for "starter contacts" and read up on the problem, how to varify it, and how to correct it. It has been covered here numerous times.

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my searching the site brought up those posts but wouldn't this be unusual for a starter that was installed a year ago? That's why I was thinking of other causes.
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my searching the site brought up those posts but wouldn't this be unusual for a starter that was installed a year ago? That's why I was thinking of other causes.
Its actually quite normal.

What you really should do is add an extra relay to the starter circuit. See this thread:

Starter relay

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USA I know your problemall too well!

I know exactly what is wrong here, its actually very common with this car infact i just repaired the EXACT same problem for 10 bucks i'm going to tell you how to fix your problem. Sorry guys its not the starter at all. The original post to this thread was correct. Its your neutral safety switch.

The problem you are experiencing is dirty contacts in your neutral safety switch. These switches actually never go bad per say however after 20 years of use one of two things generally starts to happen. You either build up a ton of dirt in it or it comes out of alignment.

If you have never cleaned the switch it would be a good time to go ahead and do it.

The tell guys with this one is that you have to shift gears. By shifting gears you have already identified that this is NOT the starter but the neutral safety switch. I kinda giggle cause yall were almost suggesting your having to prime the starter. Another give away was the temperature, I'd dare to s ay your not out of alignment but full of gunk. When it is hot the grease moves freely making better contact however if full of grease it will also make it harder to start depending on the amount of goo in it. In the winter it will not make as good of contact specially if its really cold cause the springs are condensing themselves and the metal is contracting or its so full of thick goop it won't make contact properly.


Instead of switching gears push the gear shifter hard into park. If the car starts after pushing it up into park at the same time but when no pressure is applied to the gear shifter then its full of gunk. If it starts after not applying pressure then it just needs adjustment which is easy as long as you have a 12 or 10 mm socket. Can't remember which at the moment.

Go to you local auto parts store and get the following,
1. Metric socket set if you don't' have one.
2. I can of electric parts cleaner
3. 1 small pack of diaelectric grease/bulb grease
4. Phillips head screw driver
5. Automotive pick set. Got mine at kmart for $1.00! WOOOT

First lets locate the switch. While standing in front of the car with the hood up look to the lower right side of radiator down below the battery. You will see the switch on the bell housing. It is V shaped. Mine was filthy and blended in really well.

Disconnect the connector to the neutral safety switch and remove the nut of the front of it. Depending on your model you might have to put the car in neutral to get it off or leave it park.

Remove the switch. You will need a phillips head screwdriver. it is held together with 4-5 screws. Take the screws out you will see a little cheap-o gasket around remove and set aside. Carefully remove the contact arm. It has two contact blades in it that are spring loaded BE CAREFUL if you loose these contacts your SOL.

Use a can of electrical parts cleaner on it switch and clean out the goop. If you have an automotive pick set it will really come inhandy with removing the old dielectric grease.

Get a small pack of dieletric grease/ bulb grease and greasu up the switch. Be sure to clean the contacts and lightly sand them with a nail file so they will make good contact. I removed the springs and stretched them out a bit, after 20 years making them 2mm longer isn't going to hurt just be careful not to over stretch. Grease everything in the switch all contacts, hell everything.

Put it back together and slap it back on and tighten it down.

Now here is the trick and you will need a bid after it is back on you might experience the same problem however if you have a friend that can pugh the gear shifter forward you can see how the switch needs to be adjusted and make adjustments accordingly. If you take your time you can have this done in a hour.

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

Now lets say the switch is horribly damaged i.e cracked by a rock or something. You can try to weld it back together or just follow the link below you should replace it, or if you just want replace it you can.

A problem that I've faced is that rebuilds of this switch can last for a few years or a few months. It really depends on your mechanical knowledge.

Be prepared to get dirty. Your best way to access this is not from above but from blow after removing the splash guard on the bottom of the engine.

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USA I know your problemall too well!

I know exactly what is wrong here, its actully very common with this car infact i just repaired the EXACT same problem for 10 bucks i'm going to tell you how to fix your problem. Sorry guys its not the starter at all. The original post to this thread was correct. Its your neutral safety switch.

The problem you are experiencing is dirty contacts in your neutral safety switch. These switch actually never go bad per say however after 20 years of use onw of two things generally start to happen. You either build up a ton of dirty in it or it comes out of alignment.

If you have never cleaned the switch it would be the time to go ahead and do it.

The tell guys with this one is that you have to shift gears. By shifting gears you have already identified that this is NOT the starter but the neutral safety switch.

Instead of switching gears push the gear shifter hard into park. If the car starts after pushing it up into park at the same time but when no pressure is applied to the gear shifter then its full of gunk. If it starts after not applying pressure then it just needs adjustment which is easy as long as you have a 12 or 10 mm socket. Can't remember which at the moment.

Go to you local auto parts store and get the following,
1. Metric socket set if you don't' have one.
2. I can of electric parts cleaner
3. 1 small pack of diaelectric grease/bulb grease
4. Phillips head screw driver
5. Automotive pick set. Got mine at kmart for $1.00! WOOOT

First lets locate the switch. While standing in front of the car with the hood up look to the lower right side of radiator down below the battery. You will see the switch on the bell housing. It is V shaped. Mine was filthy and blended in really well.

Disconnect the connector to the neutral safety switch and remove the nut of the front of it. Depending on your model you might have to put the car in netual to get it off or leave it park.

Remove the switch. You will need a phillips head screwdriver. it is held together with 4-5 screws. Take the screws out you will see a little cheap-o gasket around remove and set aside. Carefully remove the contact arm. It has two contact blades in it that are spring loaded BE CAREFUL if you loose these contacts your SOL.

Use a can of electrical parts cleaner on it switchandclean out thegoop. If you have an automotive pick set it willreally come inhandy with removing the old dielectric grease.

Get a small pack of dieletric grease/ bulb grease and greasu up the switch. Be sure to clean the contacts and lightly sand them with a nail file so they will make good contact. I removed the springs and stretched them out a bit, after 20 years making them 2mm longer isn't going to hurt just be careful not to over stretch. Grease everything in the switch all contacts, hell everything.

Put it back together and slap it back on and tighten it down.

Now here is the trick and you will need a bid after it is back on you might experience the same problem however if you have a friend that can pugh the gear shifter forward you can see how the switch needs to be adjusted and make adjustments accordingly. If you take your time you can have this done in a hour.

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

Now lets say the switch is horribly damaged i.e cracked by a rock or something. You can try to weld it back together or just follow the link below you should replace it, or if you just want replace it you can.

A problem that I've faced is that rebuilds of this switch can last for a few years or a few months. It really depends on your mechanical knowledge.

Be prepared to get dirty. Your best way to access this is not from above but from blow after removing the splash guard on the bottom of the engine.



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Old 09-21-2010, 09:25 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Before tearing the neutral safety switch apart, try to by-pass it. It did not help in my case as well as rebulilding the NSS with parts out of brand new one found on the wrecking yard, so I installed the relay.
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I have the same problem with my NSS. 98% of the time I have no problems with it, but once in awhile it acts up, causing me to reach over with my left hand and turn the key while I very gently moved the shifter until I hit that "sweet spot" where it starts. Really a pain in the...

I had a hard time locating the NSS but once I found it, it was an easy procedure to adjust it. BUT... it didn't totally help. It still decides on its own when it is going to act up, but like the rest of you, it ONLY happens when the engine is warmed up. Only happened maybe once or twice in over a years when the car was cold.

So, I like (an appreciate) your idea about dirt inside it. Now you have me wanting to remove mine and clean it out. Are they actually that easy to open up?

Thanks for the tip! I know what's on my To-Do list for today!
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