All-Trac cv clarification - Toyota Nation Forum : Toyota Car and Truck Forums

'88 All-Trac · 06-10-2011, 12:55 PM

Which generation Celica All-Trac had the cv shafts that will bolt into our Camry All-Tracs? I'm having a dickens of a time finding anything that will fit. RockAuto has some for-All-Trac units but the PO had ordered a CV shaft from them that he gave me when I bought the car, complete with shipping invoice, and it is definitely not the right unit.

I miss driving my baby!

blu_91_cam · 06-11-2011, 02:18 AM

I actually just ordered a re-manufactured unit from raxles and it looked really nice but was expensive 180 shipped you could give marty a call and see how much it would be for one for the all-trac.

'88 All-Trac · 06-11-2011, 12:08 PM

And this was for an All-Trac? I don't mind spending money if necessary... I just want to be sure I'll get the right thing. Thanks for sending me to raxles, I'll send them an email.

blu_91_cam · 06-12-2011, 01:05 AM

No sorry mine is a V6 but I according to my research raxles has a very good reputation and I think Marty would be able to help you out.

white90dx · 06-13-2011, 12:58 AM

All the US Celica Alltrac axles work on the Camry Alltrac (manual only!). The rears are the same for auto and manual Camry, so those cross for all of them.

-Charlie

'88 All-Trac · 06-13-2011, 01:02 PM

Is there any difference in strength? I see that RockAuto has them listed under different numbers, and the local 'Yota dealerships is... less than helpful.

white90dx · 06-14-2011, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by '88 All-Trac

Is there any difference in strength? I see that RockAuto has them listed under different numbers, and the local 'Yota dealerships is... less than helpful.

Fronts or rears?

Actually, I don't know the answer anyway.

I'm currently using ST185 ('90-'93 Celica Alltrac) front inner stub axles bolted to gen2 V6 Camry outer axles in the front and ST205 axles in the rear to match the longer lateral links. I still have my stock rear axles, and they are definitely thinner than the ST205 rears, but they might still match the ST165/ST185 rears. The front shafts are beefy, and they match the ST165/ST185 axle diameter (the Celica guys sometimes use them as replacements when they can't get the Alltrac specific ones - they are just missing a rubber vibration donut).

-Charlie

'88 All-Trac · 06-14-2011, 11:28 AM

Would it be possible to just slap in the complete ST185 half shaft assembly? That's really my big question- I won't be going with the 3s-gte for a long time yet and the Camry All-Trac CV shafts are a pita to find. Raxles says they can do them on a send-in basis for $150/side but if I can get the ST185 axles cheaper I'll be thrilled.

white90dx · 06-14-2011, 11:56 AM

I'm assuming fronts with a manual trans?

If so, then yes - they are a direct swap for the complete units. Later, you can use gen2 Camry V6 outer axle sections (for like $70 w/ lifetime warranty) as replacements.

Actually... are your current front axles single piece, or do they have the 6 allen bolts and C-washers holding the inner CV to the stub axles? If so, you can just use V6 Camry axles now.

A picture would help, and I could give you a 100% answer.

-Charlie

'88 All-Trac · 06-14-2011, 12:30 PM

I'll go tear the already torn boots off and get you a picture, then. I'm worried that the inner stub may be worn, so I don't really want to toss on the V6 outers if the worn inner will eat them up again. $70/each sounds great, where can I get that price? I'm not afraid of technical work and I do like to overbuild things.

Edit: Well, the internet just picked a really good time to go out but I did get four pictures- I'll upload them when I can. I believe they are one-piece units, however. The inner stub is held into the differential via a snap ring and it appears the only thing really securing the outer shaft to the stub was the boot, as when the larger clamp on the boot was cut the whole assembly fell into two pieces with nothing to hold them together. The grease in the inner stub was somethin' nasty, looks like a ton of water got in there. It's all milky grey.

'88 All-Trac · 06-18-2011, 12:42 AM

See? Grease soup. What can I do about the inner stubs so I can use the V6 axles? It looks like the ST185 axles also need those stubs.

white90dx · 06-18-2011, 05:22 PM

Ok, I'll ask again... do you have an automatic or a manual transmission? I can't answer any more questions until I know the answer.

-Charlie

'88 All-Trac · 06-18-2011, 10:18 PM

Manual! This is a question I've answered for you several times, Charlie!

Though I suppose I should've answered again, I've gotta remember to just specify. That, or I'll see if I can make a signature with it in there...

white90dx · 06-20-2011, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by '88 All-Trac

Manual! This is a question I've answered for you several times, Charlie!

Though I suppose I should've answered again, I've gotta remember to just specify. That, or I'll see if I can make a signature with it in there...

The answer is less for me and more for anyone else that looks at the thread trying to find answers. That said, I don't remember what exact car everyone else has.

Ok, so you need ST165/ST185 inner or complete axles and if you got only the inner axles, you need gen2 V6 Camry outer axles. You can probably find the axles you need on eBay or on the Celica Alltrac forums (alltrac.net).

If you get gen2 V6 Camry axles or Celica Alltrac replacement front axles at a parts store, it only comes with the outer shaft.

-Charlie

PS. The axle grease there looks normal to me - it is pretty gross stuff.