re: 89 V6 Camry oil pan questions..

[sfjen]

Aloha Folks-

Wanted to ask if there is an easier way to remove the oil pan on our vehicles? I looked at my Hayes manual and I think it said something about lifting the engine. I was hoping I could remove some parts safely underneath to get at it? Any advice would be great.

Also, when reinstalling the oil pan, do you use just a gasket or rtv sealant to close things up? Should anything else be done at the same time that the oil pan comes off?

Thanks so much. Mahalo!

[atobe]

I'm not sure about the V6 but on the I4 i just had to take off the crossmember and exhaust to get the oilpan out. I just lifted the car on jack stands and worked under the car that way. yes just RTV besure to use enough so you won't have to do it again. be sure to clean off the old rtv on the oil pan and block and they're both free of oil before reinstall

[sfjen]

Aloha Atobe-
thank you for your reply. Is the cross-member the one that goes up and down the engine from front to back? That is what I see on mine. Did you have to move any wires? I will check on the exhaust portion.

Also, with the RTV, is it alright to put on a fair amount then after torquing the bolts just to wipe the extra stuff off? I am assuming that by putting on so much it will ooze out along the seam.
Mahalo
PS: any type of RTV you would recommend?

Originally Posted by atobe

I'm not sure about the V6 but on the I4 i just had to take off the crossmember and exhaust to get the oilpan out. I just lifted the car on jack stands and worked under the car that way. yes just RTV besure to use enough so you won't have to do it again. be sure to clean off the old rtv on the oil pan and block and they're both free of oil before reinstall

[Grego 92]

Something to think about....our manual says to use seal packing to make the gasket. And I believe the part no. they have listed has since been replaced by what is in the photo below. This is based on what I've been told by some off-road guys and the one parts guy at my local stealership.

It just so happens I'm getting ready to put my oil pan back on my 92' pickup (that's whats in the photo below). On another web site board I look for guidance on my yota pickup, the off-road guys swear by the toyota fipg (form in place gasket), they argue that it isn't the same as permatex black rtv or ultra grey rtv. That it is better than both and any aftermarket cork gasket. Thus, I spent $17 on the fipg stuff.

My own thought for these camry's (i've yet to do the oil pan) is if it's fairly easy to remove and replace, then I would be less hesitant to use black rtv. However, on these trucks it is a royal pain in the ass to get the pan on/off, so I am taking whatever measures are necessary to increase my chances of only having to do this once for a very long time!

According to the manual the camry pans have the same grooves as you see below off my 22RE....that is where the fipg, rtv, or whatever you choose to use goes in and then the inside of the screw holes. Look in the manual, they show you the pattern to make with the stuff.

[sfjen]

Aloha Greg-
Thanks for the photo and info on the Toyota gasket maker. I have a Toyota parts store close by so I think I will get some of that stuff. Like Atobe mentioned I think I can just remove the cross member to get access to the pan and of course have it up on jacks so there is room to work. By the way, on the package of gasket maker you purchased from Toyota, how long does it say until it is cured or you can start up the motor and go?
Mahalo,
glen

Originally Posted by Grego 92

Something to think about....our manual says to use seal packing to make the gasket. And I believe the part no. they have listed has since been replaced by what is in the photo below. This is based on what I've been told by some off-road guys and the one parts guy at my local stealership.

It just so happens I'm getting ready to put my oil pan back on my 92' pickup (that's whats in the photo below). On another web site board I look for guidance on my yota pickup, the off-road guys swear by the toyota fipg (form in place gasket), they argue that it isn't the same as permatex black rtv or ultra grey rtv. That it is better than both and any aftermarket cork gasket. Thus, I spent $17 on the fipg stuff.

My own thought for these camry's (i've yet to do the oil pan) is if it's fairly easy to remove and replace, then I would be less hesitant to use black rtv. However, on these trucks it is a royal pain in the ass to get the pan on/off, so I am taking whatever measures are necessary to increase my chances of only having to do this once for a very long time!

According to the manual the camry pans have the same grooves as you see below off my 22RE....that is where the fipg, rtv, or whatever you choose to use goes in and then the inside of the screw holes. Look in the manual, they show you the pattern to make with the stuff.

[white90dx]

The Toyota FIPG is definitely worth it. You should wait at least overnight before starting the engine. Make sure the surfaces are completely clean and dry before you apply the new sealant/pan. Don't use too much - follow the directions. You don't want any chunks to get stuck in the oil pickup. Also, don't over torque the oil pan bolts - they won't feel tight enough, but it will be right. The idea is to leave a little room for the FIPG to make a true gasket (and the FIPG holds the pan in place along with the bolts).

You won't need to remove the exhaust on the V6, but you will have to remove both front cross members to get the pan off the motor.

-Charlie

[Grego 92]

Yes, what charlie said, from what I've heard also - wait at least a day before putting oil back in. I'm waiting a week , because I'm waiting for other parts to come in anyhow.

There is a very short recommended time period from the time you place the stuff on the pan to when you bolt it back up. The guys on other board say 20 minutes max and the faster the better. They say to do "dry runs" before actually placing the stuff on the pan so you won't run into any hiccups at the last minute. I know the torque for the 22re is 9lbs, which isn't very much.
Finger tighten all the bolts up and then go back and torque to whatever is stated.

[sfjen]

Aloha Charlie and Greg-
Thank you for your help, advice and recommendations. I will be getting the Toyota stuff, remove the 2 cross member support brackets and lift the front end of the car so there is space to do this. I will also make sure to clean out the pan well of any debris. Thanks again!
Mahalo,
glenn

Originally Posted by Grego 92

Yes, what charlie said, from what I've heard also - wait at least a day before putting oil back in. I'm waiting a week , because I'm waiting for other parts to come in anyhow.

There is a very short recommended time period from the time you place the stuff on the pan to when you bolt it back up. The guys on other board say 20 minutes max and the faster the better. They say to do "dry runs" before actually placing the stuff on the pan so you won't run into any hiccups at the last minute. I know the torque for the 22re is 9lbs, which isn't very much.
Finger tighten all the bolts up and then go back and torque to whatever is stated.