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Old 07-31-2005, 09:08 AM   #1 (permalink)
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2nd Generation 1MZ and the E153 and the Gen 2

Would my E153 (1993 model) be up to the task of holding the power of a 2003 model 1MZ-FE V6??

And, in terms of mounting, how would the 1MZ go mounting into the Gen 2? What sort of wiring tasks would there be. This is all assuming there was a motor, ECU and loom to play with....

Also, what sort of power does the Gen 5 1MZ put out?? Opinions on how it would go in the Gen 2? It would be fully rebuilt, balanced, ported/polished...
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Old 07-31-2005, 09:54 AM   #2 (permalink)
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FWOAH! youre going all out!

not sur eif youre going to fit the engine in height wise... width may be an issue too o_O
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may have to cut into some sheet metal they way they have to, to fit the H22A engine into the CRX... so it may be doable... i dunno
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Hehe..just after some opinions for the moment.
If cutting were involved, i would not tackle it, i want to retain my Gen 2 body hehe.
Even though it's a different block etc, would Toyota have really made it THAT much bigger? I mean, the V6 i have in mine is fairly big for the Camry engine bay, so i can't imagine that the 1MZ is going to be TOO much different externally. Dunno.
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What about a 3VZ......similiar power and the same engine family which may end up being an easier swap.
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the 3vz only just fits then gen3 bay in height, so its probably not gonna clear th gen2 bonnet.
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this is why they make super charger hoods .......

your e153 will hold it fine.

new mounts, dont know how well the gauges would work.

engine would be 51cm long (housing to pullys)

why do the 3vz? you might was an older 1mz i think in 03 it doesnt have a throtal cable and that would be more annoying work to re do the gas pedel. shoot for a 01
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hey jetspeed, why dont you bottle feed the car?
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^^

You are becoming more ambitious aren't you? I think the 3VZ Under your hood would be badass.
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Why not 97-01 1MZ and slap on a s/c?
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because you can't intercool a TRD supercharger.

you would really be best off looking at a 1mz car and yours side by side, making notes on clearnances, mounts, and the like. You should take a measure of how high the intake manifold comes above the heads, and how high it comes up on the fender from a profile. If all else fails, you can have a custom manifold done, and get some ITB's going while you're at it.
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because you can't intercool a TRD supercharger.
I was looking around for one the other day and couldn't find one.. Why exactly isn't it possible to IC it??
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because its a screw charger. you need a root (so you can plumb in the cooler after the blower).

other options are available, you can no2 or co2 cool the initial charge air.
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Hmm..some interesting ideas.
Bottle feed..no thanks..im after pure NA power. Possibly supercharging. Plus i don't like it complete illegality here! The reason i am interested, is because i've been offered a 1MZ from an 03 Camry, with ECU and loom. I'm not "looking" for one per say..i was actually looking for a 2VZ, which I want to build up and swap over.
Dimensions are the biggest thing..and if it didn't fit, i wouldnt do it. I really don't want to cut and thing major, and don't want to have to cut into the bonnet, just to fit the engine. The guage cluster would be interesting for sure..not sure how it would work. As far as mounts go, i've got 3 of them done already, when i did the gearbox...so the only one i'd have to worry about is the dogbone mount. That would have to be custom done for sure. A 3VZ would be ok too i suppose, but the 1MZ ultimatly has more power and is lighter and newer. Although the 3VZ has more torque, i think i'd rather a newer engine. The "fly by wire" accell would be an issue too.
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because you can't intercool a TRD supercharger.
and?...
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