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Old 10-15-2006, 03:12 AM   #1 (permalink)
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1995 Camry LE Soft Brakes

Hello All !

Does anyone have any advice for looking for source of soft brakes ?

When I recently changed out the engine in this car 3sfe ( JDM) , I did an inspection and bleeding of the front brakes .

When I got the car , it was low on all fluids . We filled up all of the resorvoirs and bled the front brakes just to be sure ...

I was under the assumption that the brakes were just fine and dandy , until they were called upon to do a panic stop . Even at 40 mph , I used about 50 feet getting it to a full stop . I feel like this is not good . The brakes just didn't do the deed that was expected of them .


My question is this : Where to start now ? I have physically seen the front brake pads and they have over 1/4" of material left on both sides . The rotors are clean and not grooved.

I guess I should take a look at the rear brakes next . I also re-checked the Brake Fluid and it is still full , no leaks .

Just the soft braking . If I don't get this fixed soon , I won't have a Camry to post about on this Forum ..


Any Ideas ? Are Gen3 Camrys known for brake problems ?

Help !


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Old 10-15-2006, 09:08 AM   #2 (permalink)
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keep bleeding. start with the right rear, farthest away from the resovoir, the left rear, right front, left front.
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If by soft you mean spongy, could be the master cylinder also.
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Old 10-15-2006, 11:32 AM   #4 (permalink)
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you put a 3sfe in a 95 camry??
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you put a 3sfe in a 95 camry??

you beat me to that.
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First off you need to check engine vac. this can cause the a sponge pedal. this may be as the engine swap may still have a vac leak.

Why in gods name did you put a 3sfe in your car. I could understand my friends swap as his was from an indy car but why did you do it?
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When you step on the brake pedal and hold it, does it stay firm or go to the floor? After you filled your reservoir, did the level stay there or decrease? Have you checked out the four flexible lines to the calipers, looking for leaks? Have you checked the calipers themselves to make sure that they are dry and not leaking?

If your pedal slowly goes to the floor, you may have a failed/failing master cylinder. If one of your flexible lines is bad, change them all.
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The rotors and pads may be fine, but you could have a sticky piston in one of the calipers.
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3sfe to 95 camry

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you put a 3sfe in a 95 camry??
Yes !

We bought the motor from a seller on e-bay . The original motor was a 5sfe USDM (2.2l) ...

The replacement motor was a 3sfe JDM (2.0l) .

When I got the vehicle , the motor was ruined so I wouldn't know if there is a change in performance .

The JDM engine seems to be just peachy and the nice thing was that it only cost $450. delivered . The labor was done under a shade tree in my front yard / carport .

I feel like I got a gift ...


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When I got the vehicle , the motor was ruined so I wouldn't know if there is a change in performance

Can your car even hit 100mph? Cause that engine is way underpowered for that car. I can find a good used 3SFE for $450. I can't imagine how slow that car is.
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^ well, if the 5sfe was pretty much dead in the first place, then a working 3sfe would still be a good kick....it'd be slow to start no doubt, but once it gets going I'm sure it's fine...and he'll save on gas


but back on topic....pads, brake adjustments, sticky caliper pistons, seized caliper sliders, thicker pads (WILL help even though you still have some meat left), master cylinder, brake booster, leaky rubber brake lines, get stainless steel brake lines

go through all the things above, checking and doing all the cheap stuff first and then go from there
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Can your car even hit 100mph? Cause that engine is way underpowered for that car. I can find a good used 3SFE for $450. I can't imagine how slow that car is.
I haven' thad any complaints . and yes it can reach over 100 mph ... I have the ticket to prove it .

By the way , why all of the concern about the 3sfe into the 5sfe Place ?

The original engine was rated at 2.2L and the replacement engine is rated at 2.0L .

I don't know the Horsepower specs , but to me this is only 10% difference (Not WAY UNDERPOWERED ) this car does not SEEM underpowered .If I didn't know better , I would assume that this engine was the Factory Original ...

I have driven many dogs in my time and I rate this car in the top 10% of ALL of the cars I have owned . The only ones I really would rather have were the Mercedes 450 SL and the Volks Jetta .

Methinks you complaineth too much ...


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...By the way , why all of the concern about the 3sfe into the 5sfe Place ?...
This is where the 3SFE/5SFE thing all started - TN from way back when
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How bad is your handbrake(emergency)? when my handbrake was too high the brake pedal travel was increased!

3S-FE:
Max. output
(ISO)126.7 PS (125.0 bhp) (93.2 kW)
@5600 rpmMax. torque
(ISO)170.0 Nm (125 lbft) (17.3 kgm)
@4400 rpm

5S-FE:
Max. output
(SAENet)131.8 PS (130.0 bhp) (96.9 kW)
@5400 rpmMax. torque
(SAENet)197.0 Nm (145 lbft) (20.1 kgm)
@4400 rpm

I have the 3S-FE, and she moves, especially considering the weight she tags along. She aint no 10s car....., but thats not what the motor was made for.
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That Old 3sfe / 5sfe Thread ....

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This is where the 3SFE/5SFE thing all started - TN from way back when

Deuce ,

I took the time to read ALL of that old thread you pointed me to .....

It just looks like 88LE and Hotwheelharmer were just mean spirited posters that actually had nothing constructive to offer .

The way they jumped on 97KaMuRi with both feet was just unnecessary .

They never proved their point that he didn't get the 3sfe he thought he bought .

First they ripped him for saying that was what he was doing (getting the 3sfe jdm for his 5sfe US car . ) .

Then in the nexr breath they were all over him because he didn't know ( in their opinion ) that the motor was actually a 5sfe. As I said , they didn't prove their point .

I am prejudiced to 97KaMuRi's side because I actually did the swapout from 5sfe to 3sfe jdm engine and I couldn't be more satisified . The car runs fine and I haven't had a minutes trouble with it . There is plenty of pickup and I could smoke the tires if I was stoopid enuf to try .



Thanks for taking the time to show me that post .


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