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Old 10-11-2007, 09:27 AM   #1 (permalink)
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3rd Generation Transmission Removal

The FSM describes removing the transmission from under the vehicle - I would prefer to do it this way on my 1994 4 cycl (manual trans) to replace my clutch, etc.

Does anyone know if there is enough room to do this by raising the car on jack stands? I am concerned that there might not be enough clearance. Any thoughts or experience would be greatly appreciated.
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The FSM describes removing the transmission from under the vehicle - I would prefer to do it this way on my 1994 4 cycl (manual trans) to replace my clutch, etc.

Does anyone know if there is enough room to do this by raising the car on jack stands? I am concerned that there might not be enough clearance. Any thoughts or experience would be greatly appreciated.
if you remove everything on its way, like slave cylinder, starter, battery, air box, shifter cable, remove both axles, and many bolts that mate the engine and transmission, jackup to hold the engine at the oil pan, and remove the transmission mount on the driver side, you should able to have enough space to slide the transmission side way to access the clutch.
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if you remove everything on its way, like slave cylinder, starter, battery, air box, shifter cable, remove both axles, and many bolts that mate the engine and transmission, jackup to hold the engine at the oil pan, and remove the transmission mount on the driver side, you should able to have enough space to slide the transmission side way to access the clutch.
So you're saying that I should be able to separate the transaxle with enough room to work but keeping it under the vehicle. That's okay. Your summary of all the disassembly is quite good - it sounds like you've done this recently - I've studied the Toyota manual which is very methodical. I'll be using an engine support beam to hold the engine to free up my jack to help manipulate the trans. My only fear now is getting stuck trying to pull the axles from the differential.
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So you're saying that I should be able to separate the transaxle with enough room to work but keeping it under the vehicle. That's okay. Your summary of all the disassembly is quite good - it sounds like you've done this recently - I've studied the Toyota manual which is very methodical. I'll be using an engine support beam to hold the engine to free up my jack to help manipulate the trans. My only fear now is getting stuck trying to pull the axles from the differential.
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well, the engine is held by front engine mount, behind the radiator, rear engine mount, behind the passenger side axle, and the top side mount (dog bone), and transmission mount. if you only remove the transmission mount. the engine won't fall down, but if you use a ply wood and jack and hold at oil pan, it give you some support.

as far as the axle removal, peole have mix difficulty on each side, but for me, once i remove the 32mm axle nut, and 3 of 17mm bolts at lower ball joint,
for driver side, i use a pry bar, and go underneath the car, if you look at the axle inner housing, there should be a little (channel) that you can slide the pry bar head in, and pry against the differential case bolt, or you may put short piece of stud wood there, it would pop right out.

for passenger side, there is a snap ring and 12mm bolt holding the axle in place, remove those. my problem was the passenger side axle frozen in the rear engine mount carrier, i tried fire, wd40, liquid wrench, pb blaster, nothing work, i ended up remove the whole engine bracket with the axle still in, jack up the engine by loosing the radiator bolts, dog bone mount, front engine mount. (of course the transmission mount not removed, otherwise, the engine will fall down )

maybe you will be lucky, just pry the p/s axle right out of the differential case and rear engine mount carrier.

i think if you read the fsm, it probably tells you different path to replace the clutch,
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Thanks very much for sharing all of your insight. You are right the fsm uses a different, more elaborate, procedure that involves removing the entire engine support frame underneath while supporting the engine from above with an engine support beam. This is just their general procedure for completely removing the transaxle, but maybe its not necessary if just "moving the transaxle out of the way" to do the clutch. It's all a matter of clearance. I may give your strategy a try but I'll use an overhead engine support beam to secure the engine and remove the transmission mount. This will allow me to use my jack to hold the transmission and manipulate it out of the way (and get it back together). Hopefully I won't have to remove the whole rear engine mount with axle to free the RH axle as you did. I'm optimistic because I had a valve cover oil leak that just happened to slime up the bearing area and it looks oily but pretty clean. Thanks again!!
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Has anyone tried this on a Gen 4? (just move the trans out of the way far enough to do a clutch job)
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Has anyone tried this on a Gen 4? (just move the trans out of the way far enough to do a clutch job)
Why not? Clearance should be similar.
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4th Generation Details please

Alright so I'm not a mechanic. Having said that, my overall goal is to change everything inside the tranny involving the clutch (clutch, pressure plate, throw-out bearing). I have a GEN 4 (01) with the 5S-FE engine and the S51 transmission. I'm getting the clutch kit tomorrow from autozone. I already loosened up the axel nuts (30mm). Now I read the description given above. If anyone has pictures of this procedure, I'd appreciate as much help. I'm taking pictures of the procedure so that if I'm successful (which I hope to be as it's my only way to get back home two hours away on the 2nd of January), I'll be posting pictures of the procedure.

So bottom line, I want to remove the transmission, is there a step-by-step "thing" I can read on it? The Haines manual is alright but it's too general and doesn't have too many helpful illustrations. I know that I have to start by removing the axles, and holding the engine up with wood or something to help the mounts out, then take all the bolts connecting the transmission to the engine off, as well as the slave cylinder and the starter. Sounds easy enough, but if there's anything I need, I'd love the help.
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Alright so I'm not a mechanic. Having said that, my overall goal is to change everything inside the tranny involving the clutch (clutch, pressure plate, throw-out bearing). I have a GEN 4 (01) with the 5S-FE engine and the S51 transmission. I'm getting the clutch kit tomorrow from autozone. I already loosened up the axel nuts (30mm). Now I read the description given above. If anyone has pictures of this procedure, I'd appreciate as much help. I'm taking pictures of the procedure so that if I'm successful (which I hope to be as it's my only way to get back home two hours away on the 2nd of January), I'll be posting pictures of the procedure.

So bottom line, I want to remove the transmission, is there a step-by-step "thing" I can read on it? The Haines manual is alright but it's too general and doesn't have too many helpful illustrations. I know that I have to start by removing the axles, and holding the engine up with wood or something to help the mounts out, then take all the bolts connecting the transmission to the engine off, as well as the slave cylinder and the starter. Sounds easy enough, but if there's anything I need, I'd love the help.

hi,
i do not know what keyword you search,
but if you are lucky, you can find greggf great detail write up on clutch change here
Clutch Replacement Write-Up
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Thanks for the tip, the more help I get, the better.
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4th Generation quick write-up with pictures

Ok so I'm done. I replaced the clutch and the passenger-side axle seal. I have more pictures than a writeup, but it's still good stuff. I'm glad my car is working now! I hope it helps someone out, and now that I did it, I can answer questions too! The 'write-up' is actually below each picture (as caption)...most pictures have something written.

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