5sfe swap carrier bearing dilema

[Leitnin]

OKay, so there are several differences in the two motors i have. I got a 92 celica 5sfe to swap into my 97 camry (spun a rod bearing)

The mains are the same. THe rod journals are 2.000 compared to the camry's 2.160.

The pistons/bore is smaller as well on the 92 celica motor.

These aren't really areas of concern, even if it was a 2.0L (it clearly said 2.2L 5sfe on the car) all I care about is getting it running.

So heres the problem. The rear motor mount for the celica is on the tranny, and on the camry it goes with the carrier bearing. There are two places on the block with different mounting bosses.

The mounting holes for the carrier bearing/motor mount do not match up with threads on the celica block. As you can see in this picture:



as compared to the this one:


Only the two locating pins and the top right bolt line up.

Also, there is a boss on the front of the motor on the right side pictured here:



That is not present on the celica motor here.


Although, for the life of me, i can't think of what goes there.

Need to solve this carrier bearing, motor mount problem.

(you can see the bearing not matching up in this picture)

[dc_98_cam]

Don't actually know anything about this situation .... but isn't a 92 engine a Gen 3 version, whereas a 97 engine is a Gen 4 engine?

[Leitnin]

as far as that, it seems like it would be correct that one is gen3 and one is gen4.

I don't know if that kills the deal.

I searched a lot but couldn't find much that actually related to what im working on.

I really wanted to grab a gen4 engine but after getting it all apart, the crank was no good so I grabed the gen3 in hopes i could get it to work.


What about welding some material on that carrier bearing mount to add a 2nd usable bolt to the situation?

then it would have the two locating pins and two bolts (although both bolts would be in a line which i dont' really like.)

Can anyone with a 4th gen camry tell me what bolts into that boss on the bottom right of the front of the motor?

[Leitnin]

Here we go.

Here's an idea. I looked around the napa auto web site at the rear motor mount for the 92 celica. As was in the car i pulled from, its a regular round motor mount.

Now, a 92 CAMRY, which should still be a gen3 block, and therefore hopefully has the same mounting points, has the crazy alien landing ship tripod motor mount that the 97 camry has.

So, if it is the case that it has the correct motor mount for the 97 camry, and bolts to the 92 celica block since its a gen3 92 camry mount, the only question becomes, is the carrier bearing compatible with the 97. And if not, can I grab the axle off the 92 camry and use that in the 97.

Any assitance would be appreciated before I go sourcing or Paying for parts that someone knows already won't work (or if it will, thats best of course!)

thanks guys

[Eye8Pussies]

you may need the carrier bearing/half-shaft assembly from the same motor (depending on what doesn't fit)

when I did my 5-speed swap, although I needed the half-shaft from a 99 5-speed v6, the carrierbearing and mount didn't fit on my 94 auto v6, so I actually had to press the half-shaft that I needed into my bearing/mount from my auto v6.

so, if you can find the carrier bearing/mount for the new engine (which shouldn't be too hard), then just use that. if the half-shaft doesn't fit for some reason, then just get your old one pressed into the new carrier bearing

[Leitnin]

i can drill the mount and get two bolts and the two locating pins. so i think that will work. (im going to try to get a 92 camry carrier bearing and possibly if i need the inner shaft of that axle.

I had someone snap a picture for me of that extra boss on the front and their 98 doens't have anything there, so i think im good on that.

the only other issue is that the 97 camry has a knock sensor (i believe its the knock sensor) on the top rear of the motor and the celica motor doens't have a plug for it. I figured id just try to use one of the unused threads for the rear mount.

any other thoughts?

[Eye8Pussies]

hmm....on the thought of the knock sensor- if you can access the rear threads without having to take out the motor to do it, then it's a good choice. but if it's unreachable otherwise, then it may not be so wise should you have to replace it (though, I suppose you can always just rewire it)

you can always just tap somewhere near the bank on the top as long as it has a good ground

[Leitnin]

true, just a matter of finding a place to tap. It seems like the 92 celica motor doens't have any blanks that weren't for something already like many motors.

You'd seemingly be able to get to the rear threads just as well as you can get to the carrier bearing. Not fun, but doable.

Not too worried about the knock sensor.

Looks like I have it ready to go. Worst case, I drill the mount to fit with two bolts, and find somewhere for the knock sensor.

best case, a 92 camry mount works both because its gen3 and "camry style"


Will definately update for any future searches. Not that anyone would do anything the dumb ever again, hahah.

[chevyman95]

Hey got any updates? did this ever work out for you?