Help with Tokico shocks for '93 V6LE w/IS300 rims

[stermi]

OK, I found a set of IS300 wheels with brand new all-weather tread and installed them on my V6 '93. No problems I thought. Look(ed) like brake clearance was OK.

After dropping from rack I noticed the right rear was not turning (actually, embarrassed to admit this was after going a hundred yds down the road....shuddering and smell of burning rubber). I pulled the IS300 wheel off and noticed the inside of the rim (215/50/17) was rubbing on the shock housing, which was what locked it up. However, the other rear and both fronts of course roll fine. I noticed the rubber "caps" on both rear shocks were torn up and so I'm assuming the OEMs are bad. Good news is that if I have to change the shocks, might as well do the Tokico blue and Eibach spring combo at same time.

OK, here's the questions: 1) I'm assuming the bad shock caused enough deflection to make the 215 rim rub....would others agree? I have not heard of fitment problems with the IS300 on V6 rears as there appears to be with V4 fronts.

2nd question - in looking at Tokico Blue (HP), they don't seem to sell a full shock for '93, just a cartridge. I believe that simply changes the inners of the OEM shock, correct? In addition, would need to replace the bad rubber cap. Anything else?

Can someone confirm that there is no full-unit Tokico blue shock for '93? The full shocks seem to start at 94, and are about $110 vs $65-ish for the cartridge. Would this get the same result as a sealed unit (if they were available)>?

Will a new cartrdige go into the OEM shock and make it all-right? I.e., no more rubbing problems with the rim?

I'm trying to get the right parts and want to make sure I'm doin' this right.

Thanks for help.

[kocho]

I just replied earlier today to another thread. Not sure about your Gen3, but on my Gen4 4 cyl. the IS300 wheels rubbed the Tokico struts on both sides in the rear (i found that at install time . Both needed 5mm spacer in the rear, which required new studs (bought a set of studs for the front which happen to be 5mm longer. This was with ContiExtremeContact tires in 215/50 (?) 17 - sorry - forgot if they were 50 or not... but they were not 45 like the OEM Lexus tires - I wanted them higher to maintain more comfort and be closer to the OEM Camry diameter.

The fronts also rubbed but not the struts - they rubbed the wheel well on both sides at full turn.

Now, I have a set of Michelin Pilot Exalto A/S in exactly the same size as the Continental tires - no rubbing at all. Not front, not back, even without spacers in the back. I never put spacers in the front with either tire. Luckily, the rear studs still work fine without the spacers even though they are 5mm longer than they were originally - no problem with the closed-cap lug nuts.

Hope that helps.

Originally Posted by stermi

OK, I found a set of IS300 wheels with brand new all-weather tread and installed them on my V6 '93. No problems I thought. Look(ed) like brake clearance was OK.

After dropping from rack I noticed the right rear was not turning (actually, embarrassed to admit this was after going a hundred yds down the road....shuddering and smell of burning rubber). I pulled the IS300 wheel off and noticed the inside of the rim (215/50/17) was rubbing on the shock housing, which was what locked it up. However, the other rear and both fronts of course roll fine. I noticed the rubber "caps" on both rear shocks were torn up and so I'm assuming the OEMs are bad. Good news is that if I have to change the shocks, might as well do the Tokico blue and Eibach spring combo at same time.

OK, here's the questions: 1) I'm assuming the bad shock caused enough deflection to make the 215 rim rub....would others agree? I have not heard of fitment problems with the IS300 on V6 rears as there appears to be with V4 fronts.

2nd question - in looking at Tokico Blue (HP), they don't seem to sell a full shock for '93, just a cartridge. I believe that simply changes the inners of the OEM shock, correct? In addition, would need to replace the bad rubber cap. Anything else?

Can someone confirm that there is no full-unit Tokico blue shock for '93? The full shocks seem to start at 94, and are about $110 vs $65-ish for the cartridge. Would this get the same result as a sealed unit (if they were available)>?

Will a new cartrdige go into the OEM shock and make it all-right? I.e., no more rubbing problems with the rim?

I'm trying to get the right parts and want to make sure I'm doin' this right.

Thanks for help.

[bigbird]

Originally Posted by stermi

OK, here's the questions: 1) I'm assuming the bad shock caused enough deflection to make the 215 rim rub....would others agree? I have not heard of fitment problems with the IS300 on V6 rears as there appears to be with V4 fronts.

2nd question - in looking at Tokico Blue (HP), they don't seem to sell a full shock for '93, just a cartridge. I believe that simply changes the inners of the OEM shock, correct? In addition, would need to replace the bad rubber cap. Anything else?

Can someone confirm that there is no full-unit Tokico blue shock for '93? The full shocks seem to start at 94, and are about $110 vs $65-ish for the cartridge. Would this get the same result as a sealed unit (if they were available)>?

Will a new cartrdige go into the OEM shock and make it all-right? I.e., no more rubbing problems with the rim?

I'm trying to get the right parts and want to make sure I'm doin' this right.

Thanks for help.

1) ok first is this the rear passenger side? i ahave had 3 camrys now and they all seem to have issues with rubbin just on that side which leaves me to believe that the tolerances are a little different on just that one side. IS wheels have a 50mm offset so im surprised they dont rub more. ull prolly want to get spacers to make them fit well. changing the shock ot cartrage wont do anything.

2) i may be wrong but im pretty sure these will fit perfectly fine, they just arent servicable. theres no differance between the way the shocks mount between the 92-93 and the 94-96, ulnless im horribly wrong. jsut the early ones were serviceable and the older ones we not.
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[stermi]

Thanks...I checked the forum and saw the FAQ about IS300 fitment problem on 4cyl, but hadn't heard (or just assumed there weren't) problems with the 6 cyl. The problems they mentinoed were with fronts (brake clearance), not rears.....

in reply to a previous question someone indicated these wheels would need spacers, but again, I figured that was in reference to a 4 cyl front, not rears (and certainly not on V6)....can someone confirm the 50mm offset would need spacers on V6? I guess the proof is in the result- if they need em the need em....

Yeah, maybe the tolerances are just not that tight - fits on one side, rubs on the other. I have it at a shop to have new shocks/springs put on anyway - they'll check tolerances. Maybe the left rear is actually sooooo close but not touching, which probably isn't good anyway. I'll report back once I hear from the mechx

[bigbird]

on the gen3 V6 or 4cyl the rear sutup is the same cept the V6 has rotors and teh 4cyl has drums. but with the 50mm offset ur gonna want spacers either way. for the gen3, the range for a good offset is between 32-45mm.