3rd & 4th Generation (1992–1996 & 1997–2001)Toyota Camry Discussion for years: 1992-1996 & 1997-2001
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All I can say is I am lucky to be here to write this.
Anyone ever hear of brakes leaking in muliple places all at once?
One leak for sure is at the right wheel brake hose where it mounts to a braket just on the inside above the caliper. The other leak I suspect is leaving a puddle under the drives seat. NO it wasn't from me when the brakes failed. lol
I found this all today when I had a friend help me bleed the lines thinking I sucked air into them by having not checked the brake fluid levels well enough. I've only had the car on the road about a month now and I did check the brake fluid when I got it so I know it was ok. We pumped out some nasty colored stuff out of the lines and when it came time to get to the right front tire I saw some fluid on the hose and asked my neighbor to hit the peddle for me and it was gushing out. I'm gonna look real close at that to make sure its not cut.
I hope to get it to my mechanic and up on the lift to really figure out whats going on asap. Is this a do it yourself job or should I just let the pro's do it. Not a lot of room to work under there. I can handle bleeding the lines and a few other jobs but a whole brake line replacement I dunno.
Where should I get the parts from if that is what I should end up doing?
If you have standard brakes it is a pretty straight forward job. I tend to trust myself more than I do the pros. They may be able to do it quicker but I care more that everything is done correctly. It's surprising how often I'll get a car back and some fasteners have been broken and left off or a nut wasn't torqued down. However, you will need to be able to work under the car if you plan to replace the brake lines so if you don't have the jack stands necessary then a pro would be the way to go.
Also, I am not sure but I believe that you need a special tool to cycle ABS brakes to get them to bleed correctly. There may be a work-a-round but I've never checked.
Kep
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I have to agree with Kep. You will need jackstands to safely replace the leaking brake line. If you have access to them this shouldn't be too hard of a job. Replace the line and then bleed all the brakes to remove all the air. Since you have probably let all the fluid out of the hydraulic system, there will be air in all the brake lines. Hence the necessity for bleeding all of the lines. Most of this job is labor, so I would do it myself if I could.
There are no special tools required to bleed the brakes on an ABS equiped car, to the best of my knowledge. I have had several Camrys with ABS, a 94 and a 98, and have never had to use any special tools to bleed the brakes on these cars.
"We pumped out some nasty colored stuff out of the lines"
The problems you are experiencing now seems like it has been caused by long term neglect by the previous owner(s). Brake fluid is hydroscopic, meaning it absorbs moisture over time. This moisture can rot out some of the hydraulic system components, if not flushed out of the system every few years.
I replaced all the lines on my VW GTI many years ago. I have ramps and can get some stands. Would be nice if I could get into a garage, will ask around and see what I can get myself into.
There is a nice little puddle under the divers side door and I know the brake hose on the right (passenger side) front is shot as well. I figure if I am going to do it and with the neglect of probably never changing the brake fluid by my cousin I should change out all the lines.
Where can I find all the parts for this online? Are there any worthwhile aftermarket parts or should I go with OEM? When I did my VW I went with stainless steel braided lines that was sold as a kit. Takes time but this car only has 90k on it and runs strong, gets good gas mileage, blows cold ac and good heat. I think its worth it.
Oh yeah and I got it for free. Maybe my cousin was trying to knock me off for my millions.
i just replaced my rear brake lines last week. i cheated and bought pre-bent lines from the dealer for $130 for both rear lines. if you bend your own, its cheaper, but takes more time and you take a chance of kinking a line. keep and eye and be prepared that if your brake lines are starting to rust through, odds are your fuel lines are about to go as well. it is near impossible to replace rusty brake lines and not disturb rusty fuel lines. go ahead and ask me how i know.
Ok fuel line added to the list. If I'm gonna be down there might as well get it all done and done right.
So I guess my only option for getting the brake line and fuel line is a factory part? I don't want to be bending lines and kinking them wasting time in the process.
I'd really love to see a diagram of the lines and whats needed and or involved. My Haynes manual doesn't really cover it in detail. Autozone has a nice tutorial to help a little but I like to know what I am getting into before I start.
Gotta get this baby up and running so I can lower my fuel costs. Have some long trips coming up and need this car.
i think the manual stickied at the beginning of the forum has the layout for the fuel and brake lines.
if you want prebent lines, i think that is a dealer-only item. again for comparison sake, the rear brake lines ran me about $130 and the fuel lines (the pressure/supply line, return line and vent line) ran about $90. toss in a fuel filter too while you are there since that is where the line will connect to. first thing first, take off the plastic cover and see how bad the lines are. (i think removing the plastic cover was the hardest part of the job!) maybe its a fluke and only your brake line is in bad shape, though i am doubtful from a vehicle in the northeast.
the repair manuals are at "www.**********s.com/camry" and look at the 5sfe engine pdf for the fuel lines on page 167. brake lines are shown in the brake system pdf on page 3
sorry, dont have any info on discounted OEM parts. i think it might be tough to find fuel and brake lines because they would have to be packaged in a large box.
i have never heard of a car, no matter how badly neglected, having a brake system leaking in more than one place at once. Unless the car ran over or hit something first that damaged the brake system.
Usually if you were leaking brake fluid that fast, hopefully you would notice having to add so much fluid and check the system before it had time to devellop more than one leak...maybe somebody really REALLy dislikes you?
i have never heard of a car, no matter how badly neglected, having a brake system leaking in more than one place at once. Unless the car ran over or hit something first that damaged the brake system.
Usually if you were leaking brake fluid that fast, hopefully you would notice having to add so much fluid and check the system before it had time to devellop more than one leak...maybe somebody really REALLy dislikes you?
Yeah, it all seems pretty weird to me. Unless an interesting twist of fate made it give up at this exact time so you knew about it, it seems that if so much fluid is gushing out, you would've noticed something funny before you even got home
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Been finally working on the car guys and came back to this thread.
It was given to me by my cousin, I'll post pics of the damage something did to his undercarriage. The knucklehead must have been replacing brake fluid for years from the looks of it. Got the lines disconnected but need to look at the manual to figure out which one attaches to what in the rear since I forgot to mark which one is which. CRAP. The nuts snapped off the line in the back ones from rust.
Wish me luck....it was a slow but steady leak from the kinked line. Wait to see this photo, looks like he ran over the Predator or something. Then again it came from the Bronx so anything is possible.
Gonna check out that manual now to see if it can help me out.
OK, online manual is of no use as it does not show my brake system.
The two lines for the rear brakes come from a mount on the firewall. If looking at it from the front of the car the 1st line is at about the 1 o'clock position and the second at 2 o'clock. Then they run to the center of the rear of the car and mount into another thing with two in's and two outs to each rear disk. My question is which line goes to which? I could kick myself in the ass for not marking them. Been only about 20 years since I've done this much work on a car and I'm remember really quickly why. lol Only reason I'm doing it is because nobody else wanted too and it was just unsafe to drive. Car runs too damn good to throw it away. Especially when it gets 30 +mpg. She will pay for all this work this summer alone or on just one good trip.
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