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Old 09-21-2008, 08:57 PM   #1 (permalink)
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PCV valve and fuel filter

I'm thinking about getting a Fram PCV valve and fuel filter for my 01 Camry. Are Fram products ok or should I stick with Toyota or Japanese aftermarket?
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Old 09-21-2008, 11:55 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Fram's never failed me, although I am a bit concerned that Wal-Mart seems to now exclusively carry Fram filters...oh well.

Speaking of PCV valves, I'm having a hard time getting mine removed for replacement in my '92!
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The gourmet do get hard and make removing the PCV valve difficult, you might have to break the gourmet up to remove the valve. Then install a new gourmet with the new valve.

Nothing wrong with Fram products, but I would suggest Toyota for the PCV valve.

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Personally, I avoid Fram oil filters because they're generally lower quality. I don't know about their fuel filters though.

I've change the PCV and fuel filter in my 2000 Camry before and I got both from Napa. Do you have any of those nearby? The filters are made by Wix, but if you have a choice between Gold and Silver, always go for the Gold if you can afford it.
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N.E.O., not trying to slam on you, brother, but it is 'grommet,' not 'gourmet.' LOL

Hope you have a sense of humor. You always have helpful posts and good advice, so I'm not just trying to slap you down, but you made me laugh this morning. Thanks!

Fram has always served me well, but the high-end gear-head snobs give it thumbs down. Whether it is for good reason or not, don't know. I, too, have had good luck with NAPA parts.
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I was thinking about the same thing, thanks for pointing it out; it always happens that way when I am half asleep. Hey, it sounded close enough for you to figure it out, right?

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Fram has always served me well, but the high-end gear-head snobs give it thumbs down. Whether it is for good reason or not, don't know. I, too, have had good luck with NAPA parts.
One reason people don't like Fram oil filters is because the end caps that hold filter material is made from cardboard while other filters use metal. The cardboard is generally viewed as being less robust than metal and there have been many cases where the filter and cardboard separated.

Personally, the only time I ever used a Fram, I found paper in my oil. (Old Dodge Colt)
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I'm never using fram for my oil filters again. Thanks for the headsup.
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I was thinking about the same thing, thanks for pointing it out; it always happens that way when I am half asleep. Hey, it sounded close enough for you to figure it out, right?

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Lol, I knew exactly what you meant because the damn grommet has een what's keeping that thing snug on there. I'm scared to beak it from pullin up too much...I think the only way to safely remove it is to unhook the hose from above it with it still attached to the valve and then just lift the whole thing up.
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One reason people don't like Fram oil filters is because the end caps that hold filter material is made from cardboard while other filters use metal. The cardboard is generally viewed as being less robust than metal and there have been many cases where the filter and cardboard separated.

Personally, the only time I ever used a Fram, I found paper in my oil. (Old Dodge Colt)

What would you recommend running? Not looking to invest mega-bucks in a filter, but I would like something mildly better than the AC Delco crap the garages hand out when you get a change.
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Usually I use Napa Gold oil filters or Purolator Pure One (blue can) because those are the easiest ones for me to get without having to buy a large quantity since and because they are generally well regarded. I don't have a lot of storage space so I prefer not to buy more than 1 or 2 at a time. Napa Gold filters are rebranded Wix filters.

The Purolator Premium (white can) are a step down from the Pure One filters but they're still better than Fram.

Napa Gold and the Pure One filters generally run $4 to $6 each. The Purolator Premium is $2-3 on sale and about $4 regular price IIRC. Pep Boys carries both Purolator filters and Sears has the Premium filters. Napa Gold is sold at Napa and fleetfilter.com.

I know some people on this board get Toyota filters for about $3 each filter in cases of 12, but I don't know where from.
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This PVC everyone is talking about......
How do you know when it's time to change it?

What are the symptoms?
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There isn't an actual time schedule to replace the PCV valve. In the old, old days, it is one of the item you would replace during a tune up; it is still a good practice since it doesn't really cost that much, usually less than $10.

Amount the symptoms are excess oil consumption, oil in the intake duct or air cleaner housing, two of the most common ones. In some cases, rich fuel mixture in some of the modern EFI systems. Of course there may be others symptoms.

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This PVC everyone is talking about......
How do you know when it's time to change it?

What are the symptoms?
It's PCV, positive crankcase ventilation.
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You remove the pcv and if it clicks normally its still good. If it clicks kinda slow or doesnt click at all, its time to replace it.

I would personally stick to toyota oem part for the pvc.

And fram does suck, i looked at my fram filter when i changed it. It wasnt as good quality as the toyota filter i bought to replace it.
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