Mobil 1 oil rumor -out of production? - Toyota Nation Forum : Toyota Car and Truck Forums

iratoyota · 10-13-2008, 02:52 AM

I was told by a Toyota employee that Mobil 1 synthetic oil is very hard for them to order right now. Did they stop production of that line of oil and it's special additives?

Albuynp Ryeno · 10-13-2008, 03:37 AM

just get amsoil, its better anyways.

touringcamry · 10-13-2008, 03:54 AM

Look on BITOG forums. You're more likely to find your answer there than here.

My guess is no though. They would be doing themselves a disfavor killing off that product. The formulation and additives package might change, but I doubt they would completely discontinue the product entirely.

iratoyota · 10-13-2008, 04:04 AM

the pensoil sythetic gets good write ups for its cleaning additives. what do you think ?

iratoyota · 10-13-2008, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Albuynp Ryeno

just get amsoil, its better anyways.

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Originally Posted by touringcamry

Look on BITOG forums. You're more likely to find your answer there than here.

My guess is no though. They would be doing themselves a disfavor killing off that product. The formulation and additives package might change, but I doubt they would completely discontinue the product entirely.

i love hearing about new forums. thanks for the info.

canddmeyer · 10-13-2008, 04:45 AM

Costco has all the Mobil1 you can get, plus the latest mailer has a $9 a case discount.

Albuynp Ryeno · 10-13-2008, 06:30 AM

http://www.synthetic-motor-oil-chang...g-competitors/

Not sure how accurate that page is tho. But amsoil is said to be the best by everyone.

Stillrunning · 10-13-2008, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Albuynp Ryeno

But amsoil is said to be the best by everyone.

Not quite. I've used Amsoil, Redline and Mobil 1 engine oil along with extensive oil analysis. Conclusion: there is no justification for the higher price of using Amsoil or Redline over Mobil 1, or probably any other off the shelf synthetic. Links to Amsoil web sites do not a case make.

importcar · 10-13-2008, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by canddmeyer

Costco has all the Mobil1 you can get, plus the latest mailer has a $9 a case discount.

I was just at my local Costco and they didn't have any in stock.

Typrus · 10-13-2008, 11:35 AM

I like Schaeffer's... Good amounts of Moly and other goodies in it. Fantastic oil. Aside from its special additives its base stock is no better than say Amsoil. You can only get an oil so good, then the deal comes with the detergent package and friction modifiers.

I haven't heard that rumor. They keep restocking us every week at Autozone. Clean 5000 (conventional) regular synthetic, Extended Performance... all of them

djb2 · 10-13-2008, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Stillrunning

Not quite. I've used Amsoil, Redline and Mobil 1 engine oil along with extensive oil analysis. Conclusion: there is no justification for the higher price of using Amsoil or Redline over Mobil 1, or probably any other off the shelf synthetic. Links to Amsoil web sites do not a case make.

You didn't follow the links, did you? Eventually you reach the page where you too can be an Amsoil "rep" and get a cut for selling it. If you do that, you will be in the lubrication business and immediately have a deeper understanding: Amsoil is the best oil out there, better than any other. It's worth any amount extra that the customer has to pay. Oil analysis and objective measures just don't capture how good it is.

(Amsoil is a very good oil, but there are many other very good oils out there. My preference is to avoid products that built on cult marketing -- they usually are not as good.)

Typrus · 10-13-2008, 12:08 PM

I've seen live-action tests that put shear-strength loads, pressure loads, etc on oils. Amsoil spanked the crap out of everything else. Except Schaeffer's. Why? I'd like to blame the Moly.

Amsoil was the first synthetic, they've been doing it the longest.
Like I said, there is only so much you can do to make the molecules uniform.
The uniformity of the molecules helps determine its ability to consistently lubricate, ability to flow when cold or hot (viscosity stability) etc
Then it becomes friction modifiers and detergent packages.
Thats not a little statement either. The detergent package determines how long and how good the protection of the oil is. The longer the oil can be made to not oxidize, break down, the better it can hold things in suspension in order to deposit them in the filter...
Other additives that change its characteristic ability to cling to metals (helps avoid dry starts)
Friction modifiers that help protect wear surfaces and areas of high load (flat tappet cams for instance) and prevent direct metal-to-metal contact (Zinc Dialkyl DithioPhosphate and Molybdenum DiSulphide are AWESOME at that)

I'm not contensting that Amsoil is good stuff. Just saying that the tests I've seen, the recommendations from folks like heavy-duty racing transmission builders (though thats not too consistent as they all say something different) and personal use, I like Schaffer's. Though it is harder to get ahold of than Amsoil...

iratoyota · 10-13-2008, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by canddmeyer

Costco has all the Mobil1 you can get, plus the latest mailer has a $9 a case discount.

what is the case price where you live ?

iratoyota · 10-13-2008, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by canddmeyer

Costco has all the Mobil1 you can get, plus the latest mailer has a $9 a case discount.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Typrus

I've seen live-action tests that put shear-strength loads, pressure loads, etc on oils. Amsoil spanked the crap out of everything else. Except Schaeffer's. Why? I'd like to blame the Moly.

Amsoil was the first synthetic, they've been doing it the longest.
Like I said, there is only so much you can do to make the molecules uniform.
The uniformity of the molecules helps determine its ability to consistently lubricate, ability to flow when cold or hot (viscosity stability) etc
Then it becomes friction modifiers and detergent packages.
Thats not a little statement either. The detergent package determines how long and how good the protection of the oil is. The longer the oil can be made to not oxidize, break down, the better it can hold things in suspension in order to deposit them in the filter...
Other additives that change its characteristic ability to cling to metals (helps avoid dry starts)
Friction modifiers that help protect wear surfaces and areas of high load (flat tappet cams for instance) and prevent direct metal-to-metal contact (Zinc Dialkyl DithioPhosphate and Molybdenum DiSulphide are AWESOME at that)

I'm not contensting that Amsoil is good stuff. Just saying that the tests I've seen, the recommendations from folks like heavy-duty racing transmission builders (though thats not too consistent as they all say something different) and personal use, I like Schaffer's. Though it is harder to get ahold of than Amsoil...

very very good information. that was the most helpful by far. thanks for helping us all with that insight

nikita · 10-13-2008, 04:27 PM

These motor oil threads always become a "religion" war.

The answer to the original post is that hurricane Ike shut down a lot of production on the gulf coast and ExxonMobil makes base oil (PolyAalphaOlefin and Alylated Napathalene) there. The blending and bottling is likely done there as well. It is a temporary shortage, not to worry.

I refuse to buy Amsoil for two reasons, its not API licensed and it is sold in a multi-level marketing distribution scheme. I buy off-the-shelf products at PepBoys, etc. Major oil companies like BP (Castrol), Chevron (Havoline), ConocoPhillps (TropArctic, Kendall, "76"), ExxonMobil, and Shell (Pennzoil/Quaker State) simply provide the best chemistry for the money. Specialty blenders, who dont make any of the ingredients themselves, make great claims to justify the higher price, but really cant compete.