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old red · 10-15-2008, 06:26 PM

hi everyone
i have a 2000 v6 with a manual trans.
i got headers, catless exhaust system and short ram intake...

what else can i do to improve my car's performance without going into forced induction?

i'm thinking about porting the cylinder head...etc

any ideas?

JamesT1 · 10-15-2008, 06:49 PM

Buy the bottom half of a 3mz and swap it in.

Extend your intake for Cold Air.

Suspension mods?

Creeps228 · 10-15-2008, 06:59 PM

thats pretty much it you can do with a camry engine, unless you go adn port some holes, get better lighter pistons to increase compression ratio, lighter connecting rods, cams with more lift. but besides that without going forced induction...your not getting anymore power

bigbird · 10-15-2008, 07:06 PM

if your not goin forced induction then id stop now with engine performance. go with tranny mods like an LSD and upgraded clutch and suspension. nothing will get nearly as much power for the money as FI.

old red · 10-15-2008, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesT1

Buy the bottom half of a 3mz and swap it in.

Extend your intake for Cold Air.

Suspension mods?

no suspension mods yet.

3mz? that's the 3.3L v6 right?
so i should take the engine block, crank, rods and pistons?
that's a lotta cash!
also, would the transmission fit directly?!

too many question marks over there, also i dont think i would get over 30whp

i'm thinking about high compression pistons, does anyone make those?

old red · 10-15-2008, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Creeps228

thats pretty much it you can do with a camry engine, unless you go adn port some holes, get better lighter pistons to increase compression ratio, lighter connecting rods, cams with more lift. but besides that without going forced induction...your not getting anymore power

porting and high compression pistons sounds good to me, but where can i get them?!

i've been looking for a while now, no luck yet

old red · 10-15-2008, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbird

if your not goin forced induction then id stop now with engine performance. go with tranny mods like an LSD and upgraded clutch and suspension. nothing will get nearly as much power for the money as FI.

i went forced induction with a 2AZ-FE once, got alotta power, but the hood spent more time opened then closed...

bigbird · 10-16-2008, 03:41 AM

hey man, if you think you can get more power out of an NA build with a car that has high compression as it is and for less money then finding a SC or building a turbo, then go for it. but keep in mind, NA is liniar, and no one makes parts for the 1mz so everything would have to be custom. youd have to port match the heads, intake plenum and manifold. get new cams, pistons, larger TB, upgrade the fuel system, and then get an EMS and tune. with ALL that money spent, you could have gotten a TRD SC or gone custom turbo like some members here or on SG for more power. also, FI can be adjsuted to give the power you want as long as the engine is setup for it.

this also depends on how much power you want if your lookin for anything over 300 then youve got a long road a head period, but its shorter wiht FI since you already have a 5 speed.

in my honest opinion, the camry is the last car id EVER want to try an NA build on. no support and no one has done it. and you prolly wont get what you expenct out of it either. want a fast NA car, go somthing like honda, ive seen some monster N/A B serries cars. and combined with the aftermarket support and weight of the car, you cant loose.

i do understand the frustration of putting time in on a build and it jsut being a problem child. but if you had that much problem with the 2az with all teh support behind it, dont expect it to be much easier with an economy engine that has NO support, and theres no one i know of my self who has gone further then a P&P.

JCamry94 · 10-16-2008, 03:49 AM

OR older celicas, corollas, and mr2s. SICK little cars to NA build on, without sacrificing your manhood by going honda...

bigbird · 10-16-2008, 04:02 PM

ill be honest, if everyone and their mother didnt have a modded honda, i would(and may in the future). camry modding(and most toyotas for that matter) is so limited that anyone as serious about it as me can only go so far with one and you cant beat the list of options you have as far as modding at the price you can with a honda.

given, a camry modded well is cooler then some civic IMO.

JCamry94 · 10-16-2008, 04:12 PM

To some extent I do agree with that. I think s2k's and nsx's modded are very neat little cars (the only cool hondas IMO). And as you said, civs and such are rather cheap and have a vast array of parts.

Here's my problem.

I saw a gentleman stopped right next to me at a stoplight in a brand new 08 civic si. It was lowered, had bbs black rims with red trim, tinted, and led'd out. This thing looked mean.

BUT.

Once he hit the pedal after the light turned, the car gave off a sound like constant farting from gear to gear.

I could never, ever, ever, EVER drive something that cool looking and sound so embarassing. And it's not just the muffler, the exhaust, so on and so forth. As far as I'm concerned, all of the accords/civics/preludes/del sol's/crx's that i've heard rev, sound like complete crap.

old red · 10-16-2008, 04:25 PM

the road ahead seems clear to me now, it's either custom turbo kit, or getting a nissan maxima...

i really dont wanna go minto forced induction, bad history there, and i also dont wanna sell my ride

lots of thinking to do,

thanks everyone

ECale3 · 10-16-2008, 04:28 PM

Suspension and tires are the best bang for your buck modification you can make to a car. Engine wise, there really isn't anything else unless you go FI

I would go suspension, tires, and FI. Just do the research if you go forced induction so it's done right the first time.

old red · 10-16-2008, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ECale3

Suspension and tires are the best bang for your buck modification you can make to a car. Engine wise, there really isn't anything else unless you go FI

I would go suspension, tires, and FI. Just do the research if you go forced induction so it's done right the first time.

suspension?!
in terms of acceleration, how much time will i lose going from 0 - 110 mph?
guess

bigbird · 10-16-2008, 04:43 PM

i think hes jsut talking modding in general. the maxima is the smartest idea if ya want NA power, but even thoes have little NA support. that being said they are fast as piss out of the box.