2.2 to v6 swap questions AND history

[07civiclx]

first off i guess i wasnt str8 forward enough
heres the history:
Ok, i have to admit, ive looked all over the site, nobody ive seen has it done so far, as far as i know tho, and i can be retarded

see, i got an offer, from a friend... he has a 1mzfe sitting around... only 25000 on it... was a rear accident car that was totalled by the insurance company, and they sold it to his shop
he stripped it and its been sitting in the garage for a number of years
noone wanted it he said... and hes dying to give it to me, but has no idea if i can swap
tranny and engine (ecu is long gone) he wants 300 bux..... now of course im gonna have to do a timing belt due to its long inactivity (about 6 years at least) but its hard to resist


ive been having starting problems so its even more tempting to drop that bad boy in there!
and hes got access to a shop... so im thinking a TT setup :-D
tho i dont even know if it has dual exhausts... didnt think to look
as you can tell ive never even touched the 1mzfe engine, ive only seen it for a few secs (i was in a rush)

Ive done a few swaps with friends in the past, most were pretty easy, but never a i4 to v6 swap, they were always i4 to i4 swaps
my gf says she wants a new car, but im thinking that this plus the headlight retro, bumper replacement, rims, shocks, and paint will make her rethink that, esp if it is a much smoother and stronger ride :-D

ideas, answers, give me stufff peoples!
again
98 camry 5sfe (2.2L) 130,000 miles AUTO

and i believe its an auto transmission, but i could be wrong (im hoping to god it is!)

heres the questions
a) amount of work involved?
b) v6 auto transmission, will it work with the rest of the drive train?
c) ECU swap necessary?
d) do i need to do more than just the harness in the dash?
e) is the v6 in need of a dual exhaust or a single exhaust
f) turbo reliability? who has this engine turbo charged?

AS I SAID ive researched and ill be quite honest, the search function SUX on this website. Hate to state it, but its a fact, i got nothing back after multiple searches, and had it BOMB OUT 4 times, esp when i tried "gen" in the search.......
Someone at least point me to the link instead of just telling me to research it.....

[2wickedtoyz]

v6 conversion complete


i've done it....
what year is the other car?
you will need the ecu to do this and you might have to do some electrical work if they are not the same generation. if they are you can just swap the harness over and be done with it.....

[itlnx]

wait, your not 100% positive you have an auto trans? if your not please don't do the swap...

the amount of work would be pulling the entire engine out. that in it self is a huge job. but read the link above and listen to others who have done the swap.

ECU is def necessary

turbo is reliable if you make it reliable. take care of the car. don't miss an oil change. use high grade fluids, etc. and yes people have tuboed that engine. i actually just posted a thread with two links to youtube videos which are actually old. Tony the tiger threw a G40R on it.

[07civiclx]

ok its from a 97 camry, it is an Auto (yay for my gf lol not yay for me)
ill see if i can nail an ECU then
single exhaust according to him lol

so they are the same generation
thats the good news lol
like i sad, bad news is the fact that i gotta do a timing belt since its been sitting so long lol

[07civiclx]

Originally Posted by 2wickedtoyz

v6 conversion complete


i've done it....
what year is the other car?
you will need the ecu to do this and you might have to do some electrical work if they are not the same generation. if they are you can just swap the harness over and be done with it.....

checked out your thing
throw up a DIY :-P

somewhere i read id have to change out supports to get it to work, which ment welding, but i wasnt sure if thats correct
know neone who did the swap on a gen 4?
also if im not mistaken, the i4 is a 4 lug, and the v6 is a 5 lug
Yes or no? if yes does that mean i gotta change out that WHOLE area? cause all i have is engine and tranny lol i dont wanna be going to junk yards for too many parts, cause then it would be cheaper to just buy a v6

[ASG14]

Engine, Tranny, Axel's, ECU, dash harness, engine harness, engine mounts

[07civiclx]

Originally Posted by ASG14

Engine, Tranny, Axel's, ECU, dash harness, engine harness, engine mounts

thank you ASG
so ill need axels ECU , harnesses and of course engine mounts (i knew bout the engine mounts lol)
other than that?

OH yea... im gonna need a Gracia bumper ;-)
going to maryland netime soon? (u know im gonna keep bugging u)

[ASG14]

Jan, but won't have room in car for it.

[07civiclx]

Originally Posted by ASG14

Jan, but won't have room in car for it.

yea u told me lol
strap it to the roof ;-)

[Hajoca]

care to elaborate on your I4's starting problems??

[07civiclx]

Originally Posted by Hajoca

care to elaborate on your I4's starting problems??

sure thing
so basically, ive found that in cold and/or damp times, the car doesnt like to start
i turn the key, it catches, but starts to choke and sputter
it tries to stay alive, but struggles doing it
i generally have found, that if its doing this, to rev it to about 3-4grand, then let off, and it drops to 2 grand and begins to warm up like normal
otherwise, it just dies after a few moments of choking

at first well, we thought it was the oil, checked it, being REALLY REALLY low we ran a few tests
dropped 10W 30 in it (not realizing it needed 5w) to top it off
obviously had no problems starting til a few days later
found about a week later it needed MORE oil, so i was thinking (shit its burning oil) added 5w30 this time topping it off to the full mark
it hasnt needed oil since AND we tried to see if its burning oil, we put a white rag behind the exhaust (which is sure damn hot to hold there mind i add) to see if it found oil droplets... NONE (so prolly not burning oil)

secondly, we thought it was sparks and wires, they had NEVER been done (at almost 130,000) pulled out some WHITE colored spark plugs (surprisingly autolite...), pulled off the tattered and beaten wires (Sokimomo or watever... same ones honda uses stock) replaced with autolite platinum wires and Bosch plat 2 plugs
So it wasnt burning oil (would be black burnt plugs) and according to a mechanic friend, white meant it was running super lean, thats all
standard stuff

didnt change a thing except it accelerated much smoother than it used to
thats it


the only mod that was done RIGHT before the problem arrised was the swap out of a NEVER CHANGED air filter.... (i swear my gfs father can be a little bit of an idiot) which including removing a ton of sticks and leaves from the otherside of the filter box (not the engine side) and removing dead spiders from the engine side of the box......
it was done during cold weather, but started fine, and it got warm out again so the problem didnt arrise until about mid october

im running out of options and patients....
there seems to be an air flow sensor attactched to the outside of the box, in which its grommit wont stay in properly... not sure if that could cause it... but everyone says it must be electrical due to the cold/damp time of start issues
its pretty regular, but once the car is warmed up, she runs just like any other choked 2.2L.... whiney and slow hahahahah

[2wickedtoyz]

Originally Posted by 07civiclx

ok its from a 97 camry, it is an Auto (yay for my gf lol not yay for me)
ill see if i can nail an ECU then
single exhaust according to him lol

so they are the same generation
thats the good news lol
like i sad, bad news is the fact that i gotta do a timing belt since its been sitting so long lol

actually remove the subframe with the engine,tranny,axles, and suspension attached(makes it easier) then do the same to your car.....put the v6 subframe in place of the i4 and youre done.

the v6 and i4 subframe are the same just different "bolt on" mounts. if it is the same trim level you'll get away with swapping the harness over with no problem.

what you will need to do is swap everything from the dash forward so you will have no problems with things not working right.

my only problem was the 4 cyl xle a/c switches(digital) versus the v6 le a/c switches(manual)
so i had to swicth wires around and add one more.

[07civiclx]

ok so at that, i decide, its prolly not worth it, unless i cant get the car to start right
then i shall consider it....
damn subframe... he doesnt have it
and it aint cheap

[2wickedtoyz]

i thought you had a whole car? that's what i had so i did a conversion not a swap. get the motor i's still a good deal if it is in good shape. adam could help you with the rest. you just need mounts the axle hubs are the same i4 or v6 it's the axles that change aswell as the tranny.

[07civiclx]

nono, whole car = gone
engine and tranny was all he kept before junkyarding the car lol
he used some parts on other camrys that came in needing work i guess, like front hood and bumper, headlights etc.
i wish he had kept the axles now
im prolly gonna have to change the rear axles now too huh?