3rd & 4th Generation (1992–1996 & 1997–2001)Toyota Camry Discussion for years: 1992-1996 & 1997-2001
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The engine on my 1997 Camry seized a couple weeks ago when all the oil leaked out. The mechanic I took it to quoted $4700-$5000 for acquiring the engine and the labor of installation.
I called another mechanic and he said depending on if it was long or short block, labor would be $1000-$1500 and I could probably pick up an engine from a junkyard for $500-$1000.
I admit I am fairly clueless about cars - but I've been trying to learn more over the past 2 weeks.
The engine is a 5S-FE (I believe - 2.2L 4 cylinder). I see some of these listed on eBay, and some listed in junkyards. Prices seem to mostly be $1000-$1500 for working engines. (My zipcode is 44124).
1) How do I determine if the engine in my car is a short or long block? Is there an easy method of identifying one or the other?
2) Would the replacement engine need to match (short or long block)? The mechanic said he thought it wouldn't but this was all on a phone call and he didn't sound 100% sure. Obviously I'd rather get the cheaper installation long block if there's no difference.
3) At a junk yard, do they usually pull the engine for you and provide some sort of parts warranty? The mechanic I talked to said they would, but I've heard of cases of people pulling their own parts.
4) If I buy a 5S-FE import engine from a comparable Japanese Camry, is it going to fit my American Toyota, or are there differences?
1) How do I determine if the engine in my car is a short or long block? Is there an easy method of identifying one or the other?
2) Would the replacement engine need to match (short or long block)? The mechanic said he thought it wouldn't but this was all on a phone call and he didn't sound 100% sure. Obviously I'd rather get the cheaper installation long block if there's no difference.
3) At a junk yard, do they usually pull the engine for you and provide some sort of parts warranty? The mechanic I talked to said they would, but I've heard of cases of people pulling their own parts.
4) If I buy a 5S-FE import engine from a comparable Japanese Camry, is it going to fit my American Toyota, or are there differences?
Short block means just the cylinder block, between head gasket and oil pan but exclusive of those two. Probably comes with crankshaft and pistons too. Long block is that plus the cylinder head and perhaps the valvetrain. They refer to parts of an engine being replaced, not engine variants.
Junkyard warranties are yard dependent. Ask before you buy.
I think the 5S is only available for America and Australia. You could source a 3SGE from Japan but it's whole different story. And for even more fun, hunt down a 3SGTE, but I digressed.
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Thank you, that makes much more sense about the short and long block now. I looked up some more information and that also explains the relative cost of labor. It looks like most of the parts I'm finding are long block so the labor would be on the lower end.
I've found a $1500 engine the junkyard claim has been tested and works, and comes with a 90-day warranty (parts, not labor). I'm tempted.. the 97 Camry has such great reliability ratings, and it's really my fault the engine seized or it would be running still - apparently all the oil leaked out over a week, but I didn't notice. The oil light has been flickering for a couple years now and I didn't realize it had gone solid, ug.
I'll keep looking at parts, and any more insight is appreciated - I was confused about if the 5SFE was NA-specific or not, since the eBay auctions seemed to be emphasizing "imported directly from Japan!". Why is that desirable? (I don't see the benefit over pulling it from a junked US car?)
It sounds like it would fit my '97 Camry LE 2.2L (4 cylinder), and they have a good eBay rating, and free shipping. It's also a better price than most of the junked cars locally, and $300 cheaper than the only local engines with lower mileage.
How likely is it the engine actually has 35k-55k miles on it? (that seems incredibly low.. is it from cars that have been stored/junked for a long time? or just a lie to sell the engine?
I will get my car towed to the new mechanic who is not quoting me $5k prices to verify the long block engine will solve the problem before purchasing, but would like to make sure I'm not basing my estimate on scam engine prices...
That engines probably been imported from japan. It would be the cheapest and easiest to get installed, since all the basically have to do is drop it in and connect everything.
I would get it checked out before they install it ( pull the pan at least and maybe even the hea) to make sure your getting a good motor.
If the engines been seized a short block might not solve your problem as the head probally done too.
buy a long block. The more similar and the more parts attached generally = lower price. FYI, except at startup or with engine off the oil light should NEVER EVER EVER TURN ON.
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Thanks for the input, all. I am looking at long blocks now. I'm feeling fairly comfortable purchasing something like this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...id=p2759.l1259 based on his feedback rating, and the 6 mos warranty.
I will probably have my car towed to the mechanic on Monday, let him verify the engine is seized, and then go in with printouts of the auction description and find out if there's anything in particular I need to verify the engine would/wouldn't have in working condition (harness, sensors, etc). In general, are those pieces that could be transferred from the seized engine to the new one?
check car-part.com and find a motor closer to you. you should be able to find a higher mileage motor local to you for a lot cheaper than that.
also, if you have problems, then you can go to the junkyard directly and deal with them. the jdm motors are low mileage (no real proof though), but all stop and go traffic in japan.
as for the motor you are looking for, if you can, find the exact year that you have. if not, any gen4-4.5 motor will work. worse come to worst you'll need to swap the wiring harness too.
and on that note, try and get a motor with the harness uncut and you'll save money on labor since it will literally be plug and play. even in my own garage, a direct plug and play motor I could swap in a day. in a garage, they could do that for sure if they worked hard.
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$4700-5000 sounds a bit high? If the shop has to replace gaskets, pump, seals and whatever, it's going to add up fast and you get only a 6mo warranty?
If you check on rockauto.com, their Marshall Long Block costs $2241.79, and from the looks of it, 3-year 100K mile warranty. Rockauto.com ships to your zip code for $120. Jasper Engines similar, but you have to call for price (see URL below). Removal and installation should not run much over $600??
Some shops belonging to AERA Engine Rebuilders Assoc. also do the work, but looks like in Cleveland they may only sell parts:
Guarantee Auto Weld Co Inc
216 431 1214
1528 E 49th St
Hasek Auto Service & Supply
216 692 2400
18410 Nottingham Rd
Metals Crankshaft Inc
216 431 5778
1435 E 45th St
West Park Auto Parts
216 941 0550
13445 Lorain Ave
The engine on my 1997 Camry seized a couple weeks ago when all the oil leaked out. The mechanic I took it to quoted $4700-$5000 for acquiring the engine and the labor of installation.
I called another mechanic and he said depending on if it was long or short block, labor would be $1000-$1500 and I could probably pick up an engine from a junkyard for $500-$1000.
I admit I am fairly clueless about cars - but I've been trying to learn more over the past 2 weeks.
The engine is a 5S-FE (I believe - 2.2L 4 cylinder). I see some of these listed on eBay, and some listed in junkyards. Prices seem to mostly be $1000-$1500 for working engines. (My zipcode is 44124).
1) How do I determine if the engine in my car is a short or long block? Is there an easy method of identifying one or the other?
2) Would the replacement engine need to match (short or long block)? The mechanic said he thought it wouldn't but this was all on a phone call and he didn't sound 100% sure. Obviously I'd rather get the cheaper installation long block if there's no difference.
3) At a junk yard, do they usually pull the engine for you and provide some sort of parts warranty? The mechanic I talked to said they would, but I've heard of cases of people pulling their own parts.
4) If I buy a 5S-FE import engine from a comparable Japanese Camry, is it going to fit my American Toyota, or are there differences?
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The oil light has been flickering for a couple years now and I didn't realize it had gone solid, ug.
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