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Old 08-15-2009, 01:27 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Camshaft Seal Question

Hello all, 1999 Toyota Camry, 4 cyl 2.2 L., just turned 100,000. miles

Timing Belt was replaced with new one, as well as water pump and all oil seals.

They overfilled the crankcase after the first repair and engine was leaking oil badly.
Said they replaced camshaft seal again, this was was first trip after initial repair. Oil was set to proper level.

Continued to leak badly so returned car again they replaced camshaft seal with OEM Seal.

Leak continued third time back, I was informed than my camshaft was out of round and the seal was not holding, as the cam rotates it wears out the seal. Conclusion replace camshaft !

Well I did not have the money for that around $ 1200. I think the shaft was nicked or damaged during the repair but have no proof other than a car that is leaking oil worse than before it was repaired.

I am considering taking it to another mechanic to see what the heck is going on here.

Has anyone heard of a cam shaft going out of round, by wear.

Any other thoughts or advice, Many thanks in advance.
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My first inclination is: hahahahahaha. Camshaft out of round??

I'm leaning more towards the mechanic scratching the cam taking out the seal. Or maybe the prior mechanic did. It's a common problem. That's why there are repair sleeves available cheap. You warm it up and slide it over the worn section. Put on a new oil seal. Done.

I'd use Fel Pro seals. No problems. You can go OEM.

Read also:
Timing Belt & Main Seal Replacement


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Hello all, 1999 Toyota Camry, 4 cyl 2.2 L., just turned 100,000. miles

Timing Belt was replaced with new one, as well as water pump and all oil seals.

They overfilled the crankcase after the first repair and engine was leaking oil badly.
Said they replaced camshaft seal again, this was was first trip after initial repair. Oil was set to proper level.

Continued to leak badly so returned car again they replaced camshaft seal with OEM Seal.

Leak continued third time back, I was informed than my camshaft was out of round and the seal was not holding, as the cam rotates it wears out the seal. Conclusion replace camshaft !

Well I did not have the money for that around $ 1200. I think the shaft was nicked or damaged during the repair but have no proof other than a car that is leaking oil worse than before it was repaired.

I am considering taking it to another mechanic to see what the heck is going on here.

Has anyone heard of a cam shaft going out of round, by wear.

Any other thoughts or advice, Many thanks in advance.

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Old 08-15-2009, 10:13 PM   #3 (permalink)
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something sounds shady. are they sure its the cam seal that is leaking?
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Old 08-15-2009, 11:13 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I think they F'ed up and making up excuses now.......
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I think you are correct in that they F'd it up.

Taking it to a mechanic I know who will inspect the previous handiwork and will let me know what the story is.

Then I will post what he tells me.

Does anyone know if they do make metal seal rings for the camshaft for this Toyota Model ? and if so who makes them ??

Many thanks !
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I also doubt out-of-round cam shaft. When I did my TB I replaced camshaft seal with OEM, but had to do so 3 times as the lead taper on the seal bore was inadaquate and kept tearing the outer seal edge rubber. I ended up filing the taper with emery follow-up so that the seal would go in undamaged. I doubt the cam shaft is scratched but the seal bore may be. Only way you'll know is to remove seal and inspect.
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If the bore is damaged can it be fixed ?

or replaced ??

Is this engine block bore ?

Help !


The way i understand your post is the seal itself was not tapered correctly so you emery downed the inside of the seal to prevent it from being damaged on installation.

Shouldn't the seal be lubricated prior to installation for easier installation ??
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The way i understand your post is the seal itself was not tapered correctly
No, the seal BORE, the machined hole in the head for the seal.


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Shouldn't the seal be lubricated prior to installation for easier installation ??
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That's call a camshaft (or crankshaft) repair sleeve. As I said, it's common so there are a lot of these things out there. Your mechanic should know.

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The car was inspected by another mechanic, and he stated there was a gouge mark on the top of the camshaft preventing a proper seal.

I wonder how this gouge could suddenly appear on my camshaft ?????? I wonder ????

We are trying to use a metal sleeve as a fix, the new timing belt installed was already soaked in oil and needed replacement again.

Anyone have any comments ????
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Old 08-23-2009, 11:37 AM   #11 (permalink)
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As I said a few days ago, "the mechanic scratching the cam taking out the seal". That happens often when the mechanic didn't exercise care taking off the old seal. These seals have pretty hard shells.

You think the previous shop is willing to pay for this extra work?



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The car was inspected by another mechanic, and he stated there was a gouge mark on the top of the camshaft preventing a proper seal.

I wonder how this gouge could suddenly appear on my camshaft ?????? I wonder ????

We are trying to use a metal sleeve as a fix, the new timing belt installed was already soaked in oil and needed replacement again.

Anyone have any comments ????
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