I want a supercharged 5sfe

[j_koncz 98 cam 5sfe]

hey this is the third time i tried to post this i dont know TN is always giving me problems. so i read the threads from ripp mods and i know there was one never took off and the shallow pocketed 5sfe entusiasts lost a decent aftermarket supporter. So rather then turbo, i'll take the road less traveled and i want to have a centrifigul supercharged 5sfe. My thing is what do i need? im going to eventually tranny swap to a 5sp, so first....

What tranny should i use?

i know ripp modds said they changed the cams i believe to hardwelded regrinds. Also i think it said pistons to, not the rods though they said they were (beefey). Oh ya before i go on i want this on a Gen 4 (98). so i need to know of any problems that go along with gen 4 boosting. i know the injectors and pump will need to be done. i beleive i would prolly need an e manage for the ecu. or do i need SAFC II? i read alot of the turbo threads. but i still need help getting it all right in my head. So i want everyones suggestions, maybe where i could go to contact a supplier that could get me a centrifigul SC. I've seen incased chargers as well and ones that require the taping of the oil system like the turbo. I like the the idea of a supercharger and its sticking with me more then a turbo set up. plus i like doing sumthing different.
So recap questions
What barriers does the gen4 carry for boosting
what do i need as an ECU tuner...e manage...SAFC II?
what tranny swap is better the v6 or I4
what internals are needing fortification or re-enforcement.
What MAF or MAP should i get?

thats all i can think of right now. but give me your info thanks, im pretty serious about following this route to modify my car

[carsrus]

I dont wanna burst your bubble or anything, but supercharging the 4 cyl isnt gonna give you mad gains. Itll probally cost you more then the cars worth too.

But if you do end up doing the 4cyl might as well completly build the motor and overbuild the tranny. I sorta doubt ull be pushing 200hp though, considering stock is 105ish.

[Plbiohazard]

just do turbo

[Tony the Tiger]

If you understand the workings of a centrifugal supercharger, you'll only realize that boost increases with engine RPM at a linear rate.

Everytime someone hears the word "S/C", they think it gives mad torque... Not with a centrifugal SC and a wimpy boost pulley.

For a typical 6-7 PSI setup, you only achieve this amount of boost at 6000RPM/redline. That means at 2000RPM, you get like 1 PSI, at 3000RPM you get 3 PSI. Unfortunately, the low boost and low RPM zones do not offer any power increase because it takes power from the engine to drive the supercharger. Any gains assosciated from the 1-2 PSI of boost simply compensates for the parasitic drag from the S/C.

You'll notice LESSER power from idle to 2000RPM... You will get about the same as stock in terms of HP/TQ at 2500-3000RPM. At 3500 RPM, you start to get minor gains. It is only above 5000RPM that you get a noticeable increase in power.

What does this mean? A turbo setup with the same HP and TQ will rape a Rippmodds S/C 5S-FE due to a much fatter power curve, but the turbo will also be more reliable at the same given HP! Because in order to make 200 WHP out of a turbo setup, the engine itself only makes about 240 BHP (ie: 20% driveline losses). For a supercharged engine to make 200 WHP, it has to make about 260 BHP because about 10% power is already stolen from driving the supercharger itself. Although both engines are indeed making 200 HP @ wheels, the S/C engine is working harder.

So do you really want a slower, less reliable and just as expensive form of boost? Tell my why you want it instead.

[MichWolverine]

I'm hoping to use a turbo system from www.ststurbo.com , there universal one is for $1700. There idea on ALL there systems is to put the turbo by the rear of the car, where there is room and then plumb back up to the intake. Sounds a little cooky at first but once you look it over , you start to go Hmmm.

[uibalnme]

UH OH!!! I feel a flash-back coming on...LOOK OUT!!!...here comes venom 5 shooting every turbo system idea down that isn't based on the 3sgte.

Bro, read through this thread, and you'll understand.

RIPP MODIFICATIONS 5sfe SDS platform

I'm with you on the STS though. If I wasn't already neck deep into my 65 Mustang build, I'd get an STS in a hot second.

[bigbird]

yeeeah, the rippmods kit didnt just die because we are cheap.

im with tony on this one. the only reason id SC anything is if it was as easy as the 1mz is to SC.

in any case, supporting mods depends on the hp you are trying to get to. your goal will determine what all youll need. there isnt really a problem with the gen4 as far as boosting...but there is a problem with the motor and tranny your trying to boost. not the best in the lineup. get rid of thoes and youll be golden.

[Toysrme]

hmmmm
nooooo, what you're really likely wanting to do is put a hidden supercharger on your parent's Camry; which is a very bad idea.

because the bottom line is if you actually had the title in your name you'd:
sell it and by a v6
sell it and buy a different car
or buy an already turbocharged engine

supercharging a 5s-fe is abit pointless. for even less money than i could ghetto DIY S/C your 5s-fe you could sell that car (and if you just HAVE to have a toyota camry) buy you a manual Lexus ES 300 which would be the same thing, but faster and infinately nicer.

[Tony the Tiger]

Originally Posted by bigbird

im with tony on this one. the only reason id SC anything is if it was as easy as the 1mz is to SC.

Just in case you haven't mistakened on what I am trying to say, it is only centrifugal superchargers that are worthless on low revving/low torque 4-cyl engines.

Supercharging the 1MZ is awesome, because it uses a roots supercharger, which means instant torque and near peak boost across the entire powerband. It also shapes the HP/TQ curve to be more ideal in achieving a more linear HP curve. Roots superchargers are great, and if the OP can find out for a 5S-FE, that would be a good upgrade.

Centrifugal SC on a 5S-FE is literally a waste of time. Centrifugal SC on any low revving small displacement 4-cyl engine is a waste of time.

[Luckynumber5]

Originally Posted by Toysrme

hmmmm
nooooo, what you're really likely wanting to do is put a hidden supercharger on your parent's Camry; which is a very bad idea.

because the bottom line is if you actually had the title in your name you'd:
sell it and by a v6
sell it and buy a different car
or buy an already turbocharged engine

supercharging a 5s-fe is abit pointless. for even less money than i could ghetto DIY S/C your 5s-fe you could sell that car (and if you just HAVE to have a toyota camry) buy you a manual Lexus ES 300 which would be the same thing, but faster and infinately nicer.

Holy Sh!t where have you been...

[uibalnme]

Originally Posted by Luckynumber5

Holy Sh!t where have you been...

+1

[trentmeyer23]

wow, Tony just broke my heart...i not long ago bought a Ripp 5sfe charger

[bigbird]

Originally Posted by Tony the Tiger

Just in case you haven't mistakened on what I am trying to say, it is only centrifugal superchargers that are worthless on low revving/low torque 4-cyl engines.

Supercharging the 1MZ is awesome, because it uses a roots supercharger, which means instant torque and near peak boost across the entire powerband. It also shapes the HP/TQ curve to be more ideal in achieving a more linear HP curve. Roots superchargers are great, and if the OP can find out for a 5S-FE, that would be a good upgrade.

Centrifugal SC on a 5S-FE is literally a waste of time. Centrifugal SC on any low revving small displacement 4-cyl engine is a waste of time.

i understand...at least i think i do. FI is still a little alien to me but form what i understand, cintrifugal chargers are good for motors that already have good torque numbers to begin with and they are easier to mount and fit then a roots on many applications(tossed these ides around when i had my muscle car). but i fugure turbo would still be better in most cases, especially this case.

Originally Posted by trentmeyer23

wow, Tony just broke my heart...i not long ago bought a Ripp 5sfe charger

sell it and build a turbo setup.

[Toysrme]

(relative to anything else) cent's are only good on an engine/drivetrain that have next to no load put on them, very low intertia giving very fast rpm jumps.


that basically boils down to driving the impeller in a jetski or boat (where NO other form of FI can possibly compete with them) and driving a drag racing type torque converter that may allow slippage past 80% of the rpm band.

short of those extremely wild scenerios they will fairly hadily be beaten by anything else.

[j_koncz 98 cam 5sfe]

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3185733

My parents camry??? wow your ignorant. intellegent people use factual
information and visual images to assess and comment on a given subject.
A moronic brain dead fool would assume things and use this information to put there 2 cents in like they know what they're talking about.

Sorry i got off topic but people like that dont belong on this site, im only tyring to educate myself and other car enthusiasts. but i also beleive in free speech so i cant censor your idiocy.

I will never engage in a battle of witts with an unarmed person

So back to what this site is used for, ok thanks tony i wasnt to sure on the exact workings of the centrifigul. i can understand and know that turbo is the best bet. So tony are you saying that SC is always a possibility and a roots in the best bet if ever possible. i see what your saying about the already high torque for the centrifigul. so your saying there possibility for a decent roots charger on a 5sfe but the output numbers wil not be as great as a turbo. I also am very intrigued in the 3sgte, but I am justgathering as much information as possible. also what set up are you running tony?
you never know i may purchase a solara or camry with the 1mz and sell mine to my gf and go nuts on that one but i plan on keeping it for a long time then just saving for a supra or skyline. so... ya just clarify for me tony that be cool thanks by the way i just needed to absorb as much info as i can on this.