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So I know Gen 3 is supposed to have 195/70 R14. But there are some more symbols after that. I went to Sams Club and the guy said they only have 90T available, and that I need 90H. I did some research and apparentally this means speed rating.
T = 118mph
H = 130mph
They do not carry H tires, and the only other place around me that does wants a lot more money. Do I really have to get the "H" tires?
I'm guessing this has to do with my Camry being a "Camry Sport"?
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1996 Toyota Camry | 4 Cyl. 2.2L | Black Paint with Tan Interior | All Stock | DEAD at 155k. Broken Crankshaft/Main Bearing
Well, depends on how soon you plan on doubling the speed limit on the interstate. Just kidding. The "90" is your sidewall height. Check your owners manual to see if it recommends the "H" rated tires. Otherwise, i think you'll be fine with the "T" rated tires.
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It's mostly dependent on your driving style, if you're a fast driver it's best to get tires that can handle the higher speeds. Otherwise there's no problem with running tires rated for slower speeds.
I ran on T speed rated tires for about 2 years without too many problems and I have a lead foot. Mostly vibration and grip issues at higher speeds, balance was good so I think it was just because the tires weren't designed for that high of speeds.
I accelerate slow and save gas whenever possible. Highest speed I would ever reach would be 85 on the highway.
From what I recall when I was riding on T rated tires, 85 on highway was stable.
But the first time I was getting up to 100 on highway with those T rated tires it got a bit nerve wrecking, it started to shake and the faster I went worse it got, even began to shake the steering wheel. I thought being rated to 118MPH would be okay, but I was wrong. Just getting close to 100 was already starting to make trouble.
I had H rated tires before with no problems and after I went back to H rated tires, it was all normal again.
So I think you'll be safe running on T rated tires if you're not planning to get up to 100.
Here is the whole listing for the letter max speed listing L 75 mph 120 km/h Off-Road & Light Truck Tires
M 81 mph 130 km/h
N 87 mph 140km/h Temporary Spare Tires
P 93 mph 150 km/h
Q 99 mph 160 km/h Studless & Studdable Winter Tires
R 106 mph 170 km/h H.D. Light Truck Tires
S 112 mph 180 km/h Family Sedans & Vans
T 118 mph 190 km/h Family Sedans & Vans
U 124 mph 200 km/h
H 130 mph 210 km/h Sport Sedans & Coupes
V 149 mph 240 km/h Sport Sedans, Coupes & Sports Cars
Well... why would people hit 100 mile an hour? That's... like, fast ay? 160km/h is pretty damn quick!
Well, I woke up late one morning and was in a rush to get to class. One of those don't be late or miss classes. It's about 20 miles of highway for me to get to campus. There's very little traffic latter in the morning, so I was able to drive a lot faster and as a result, I made it there in time.
I don't drive that fast very often, just when I need to and when the conditions are safe.
Your Camry will do just fine on the T rated tires. The car did originally come with H rated tires. I don't think Sam's Club will put anything on the car lower than the speed rating that came with the car. I had that problem with Sam's Club the first time I bought new tires for my 94. They don't want to assume any legal reliability if you were involved in an accident. Sam's Club can special order many other tires for you. If you find an H rated tire that you like, you can go back and ask them if they can special order it for you. I think Sam's Club has the best overall deal on tires.
I can promise that your car wont automatically blow up if you run 119 mph on H tires. How often will you have your camry over 100 mph? Sams is just being difficult. And no 90 is not the sidewall height. Tire aspect ratio is as follows on a 195/70/r14. 195 is the tire width in MM. 70 is the sidewall height 70 percent of the width in this case 70 percent of 195MM and then R14 would be Radial tire for a 14 inch diamater wheel.
Your Camry will do just fine on the T rated tires. The car did originally come with H rated tires. I don't think Sam's Club will put anything on the car lower than the speed rating that came with the car. I had that problem with Sam's Club the first time I bought new tires for my 94. They don't want to assume any legal reliability if you were involved in an accident. Sam's Club can special order many other tires for you. If you find an H rated tire that you like, you can go back and ask them if they can special order it for you. I think Sam's Club has the best overall deal on tires.
Mike
Sams club does not have any 195/70 R14 90H tires on the special order list. He directed me to DiscountTire. I looked on the DiscountTire website, however, and the cheapest tire with any kind of good warranty is the GoodYear Integrity, but my dad bought those for my mom's car and they lasted 15,000 miles. :|
I'll go to the other Sams around me and see if they'll put on the T tires.
I agree though, the Sams membership is worth it if just for putting on tires. The prices are really that great.
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1996 Toyota Camry | 4 Cyl. 2.2L | Black Paint with Tan Interior | All Stock | DEAD at 155k. Broken Crankshaft/Main Bearing
We ran into that once. Bought the tires and at the 5K rotation they said they sold us the wrong sized tires and gave us new ones with the higher speed rating. But I really don't get the speed rating thing. I grew up running tires way before speed ratings and drove way too fast. Never had a tire just come apart from speed.
The Sam's club near me put T rated tires on my Avy just a few weeks ago without any hassle. And I've never had any other place give me trouble either. I've ordered less-than-H tires from Tirerack.com many times and every time they called me up to verify I was aware of what I was doing. I reckon it depends on the individual shop you go to; maybe even the sales clerk you talk to.
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I drove over to Discount Tire and put on the H's. They were special order only but this shop happened to have them. They were only 2 bucks more expensive than the T's so why not.
And an FYI to everyone: Discount tire has a 70 dollar rebate for Michelin and BFGoodrich tires right now. I took advantage of the offer.
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1996 Toyota Camry | 4 Cyl. 2.2L | Black Paint with Tan Interior | All Stock | DEAD at 155k. Broken Crankshaft/Main Bearing
And an FYI to everyone: Discount tire has a 70 dollar rebate for Michelin and BFGoodrich tires right now. I took advantage of the offer.
Good timing. I just stopped at NTB to look at tires for my son's Corolla and my wife's Camry. With the rebate I can get Michelin's for just a little more than Coopers.
Being outside of Cleveland I just have to make sure whatever I buy gets good traction in the snow. I see you are in Chicago, so obviously the same would apply to you.
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Just kidding. The "90" is your sidewall height. Check your owners manual to see if it recommends the "H" rated tires. Otherwise, i think you'll be fine with the "T" rated tires.
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