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Old 10-12-2009, 06:07 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Crank & Cam Seals

Hey everyone, first post...

I'm changing the timing belt on my '94 Camry LE with the 1mzfe
It's a major pain, but I'm slowly figuring out what I'm doing, largely due to the awesome guides here

My question is what else should I be replacing while I'm down there? It needs a new water pump, and im doing the belt as well, but what are the other seals that should be replaced? Whenever I search for camshaft and/or crankshaft seals I find either front or rear... and I'm a bit confused... which will I need? I've heard a few people on here say they got the needed seals at autozone for $10/each, but the ones Im finding are closer to $30.

This has probably been answered already but the search isnt workin too well for me.


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there are two cam on v6 1mz-fe, front cam and rear cam, if you are changing water pump, the only extra labor you need to do is remove both cam gears to replace the cam seal while you are there. proper tools is needed to hold the cam gear from spining, you can also remove the valve cover to hold the cam gear, front valve cover is easy, but rear vale cover is another major job. alternatively, you can easily search on ebay keyword cam holder, and find them around $20.

front main seal is the same as the crank shaft seal, people just calling it differently.
rear main seal is the seal where engine and transmission meet, which is another major bitch job if it leak
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there are two cam on v6 1mz-fe, front cam and rear cam, if you are changing water pump, the only extra labor you need to do is remove both cam gears to replace the cam seal while you are there. proper tools is needed to hold the cam gear from spining, you can also remove the valve cover to hold the cam gear, front valve cover is easy, but rear vale cover is another major job. alternatively, you can easily search on ebay keyword cam holder, and find them around $20.

front main seal is the same as the crank shaft seal, people just calling it differently.
rear main seal is the seal where engine and transmission meet, which is another major bitch job if it leak

Perfect...just what I was looking for. The whole manifold is off right now anyway so getting the rear valve cover off wouldnt be too difficult.

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I just did the job and went the whole route

I just replaced all the parts I could find on my 99 1MZFE. The rear seal was a little hard to get to and you need a strap wrench to hold the cam sprockets, because they torque to 94 ft.lb. I did not remove the valve covers to hold the cam sprockets. I purchased all the parts on-line, from a Toyota dealer. I did purchase the upper and lower idlers from an after market source. Here are the prices on all the parts. The 94 should be similar, if not the same. I did pay about $65.00 for the tool to hold the vibration dampner.

Cam Seal (2) 90311-38034 $5.52
Crank Seal 90311-40022 $5.45
Timing Belt 13568-09080 $38.27
Tensioner 13540-20021 $37.84
Idler Upper Roller 13503-0A010 $59.60
Tensioner Lower Roller 13505-20010 $66.87
T-cover Seal Top 11329-20010 $3.70
T-cover Seal Center 11319-20010 $3.70
T-cover Seal Lower 11328-20020 $3.70
Water Pump 16100-29085 $87.80

Total $317.97

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well i certainly overpaid for the seals like i suspected, but that's alright... got them now.

yes, the cam sprockets are a major pain. gave up for the night when i got to that step, going to try with the strap wrench tomorrow... really dont want to take the covers off.

it's almost unreal how much stuff has to come off just to do a relatively simple task like changing the pump... but maybe it's just a toyota thing im not used to. should run like a champ when it's done, anyway.
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like i mention earlier, the ebay sell $20 cam sprocket holder perfect for this job,
i have one and i use it every time, and works perfectly fine, better to have two people, one holding the cam holder, one loose the 17mm bolt, use the same method for reinstalling cam gear, no recommended to use the timing belt as tension to hold the cam gear.
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like i mention earlier, the ebay sell $20 cam sprocket holder perfect for this job,
i have one and i use it every time, and works perfectly fine, better to have two people, one holding the cam holder, one loose the 17mm bolt, use the same method for reinstalling cam gear, no recommended to use the timing belt as tension to hold the cam gear.

Shoulda listened to you. Just ordered it.


How anyone got those damn things off with a strap wrench, or even a wrench on the valves, is a total loss to me. I had no luck with either. Hope I didn't bend or break anything

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For lower torque sprockets a screwdriver through the spokes will do. But these >90 lb ones you really need a cam holder. I wouldn't use a chain wrench because it's easy to damage the sprocket teeth and it's hard to hold the sprocket in one place. But when necessary cut a section of an old timing belt and duct tape it around the sprocket to protect it. Been there, done all three.


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Shoulda listened to you. Just ordered it.


How anyone got those damn things off with a strap wrench, or even a wrench on the valves, is a total loss to me. I had no luck with either. Hope I didn't bend or break anything
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