3rd & 4th Generation (1992–1996 & 1997–2001)Toyota Camry Discussion for years: 1992-1996 & 1997-2001
Topics of discussion range from fuel economy, safety, modifications, performance all involving America's favorite family car, the Toyota Camry.
- 1992
- Camry Wagon LE
- Loaded
- Auto
- 2.2L Engine
- 289 000 kms
- JUST bought it for 100 bucks
Work Done To Engine You Need To Know:
- COMPLETE Fluids flush
- new distributor + cap + rotor
- new air filter
Here is whats wrong.
When I start the car the fast idle kicks on...thats fine. Engine runs smooth for 289 000 KMS and passed e-test with flying colours. No check engine light comes on. Engine comes up to temp no problem. Once engine is warm and car is in park (sitting stationary) the idle starts to go wonky.
It usually idles around 900-800 RPM but SOMETIMES it drops to about 500 RPM, vibrates the car and then the computer adjusts something and it goes up to 1000RPM for a few secs and then back down to 900-800. The idle speed is random and when it happens is randon. AGAIN..no check engine light. SOMETIMES the engine idle feels like it wants to rop and the computer is fighting something to keep it up...it hovers a little low for a bit and then goes back to normal.
When I press the gas pedal there is no hesitation, knocking, pinging, strange noises or poor combustion...although...SOMETIMES at IDLE the engine will misfire. But not often and when it happens its usually just ONE missed combustion.
After stabing the gas when the car is idling poor the RPMS go up and then settle back down where they should be . 30 secs passes...engine goes back to doing its "THING"
What could it be? Is this a known problem with the Camry?
This weekend I will replace the plugs, wires and clean the throttle body out. I will let you know what happens.
ANY information would be GREATLY appreciated!
Last edited by BootMachine; 03-01-2004 at 12:35 PM.
Is his happening more often after the car has been used during the day and is warm, or it does it when you start it for the first time during the day??
Originally posted by burchard Is his happening more often after the car has been used during the day and is warm, or it does it when you start it for the first time during the day??
It runs fine for the 1st 1/2 of the day and then starts to act up at night. I notice it most when I'm sitting with the engine idling when I'm puffin on a spliff at the end of the day. When the engine is up to full operating temp and the red fans have clicked on and off a few times!
Re: '92 Camry LE Wagon 2.2L IDLE PROBLEM (already searched site)
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Originally posted by BootMachine When I press the gas pedal there is no hesitation, knocking, pinging, strange noises or poor combustion...although...SOMETIMES at IDLE the engine will misfire. But not often and when it happens its usually just ONE missed combustion.
Is it only misfiring on one cylinder?
Have you checked the plugs, sparkplug wires, and coil?
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Originally posted by 88 LE Is it only misfiring on one cylinder?
Have you checked the plugs, sparkplug wires, and coil?
no....well...I dunno. It could be misfiring on only ONE cyl but what I meant to say was....
WHEN the misfire occurs it only misses ONE combustion stroke on A (any) cyl. Not a bunch of combustion strokes at once.
It does not misfire very often and when it does it only misses ONE spark in ONE OF THE cyls.
It could be just one CYL thats causing the problem but I'm not sure. Could be just plugs so I'm not gonna take chances and replace all of them with the wires!
The engine misfire does not happen at the same time the idle problem happens. It only happens once and a while. Like.....it happened once last night and once 3 days before that.
Do you get the iddle up when you turn the steering wheel?. If it does it you could rule out the air intake ( AIC) valve. .
You could also, whenever it is doing the erratics ups and downs, disconnect the temp sensor, which is the one in the left of the picture that I am borrowing from somebody else. You will get the engine light but, it will go away one you connevt it back. If desconnecting this sensor precludes the ups and downs, then you might have a faulty temp sensor.
A temp sensor some times fails to read the right temperature, but does not give you the engine check. I had that problem and it gave me a headacke.
But you are right, the best approach is to start with the simple thisns ( which usually sove your problem). Plesae let us know your car's situation once you do the tune up. By the way 100 buck for that machine? tha's a terrific deal. My camry has 280 Kkm and I would let it go for any money.
I'm not selling this car....its so comfy. Such a good change from my Prelude. I parked it and I just drive around 10 KMS under the speed limit all the time now!
ha ha ha....I love my Camry!
ALSO....It has NO RUST...AND...Dealership Maintained!.....its beautiful...for what it is!
ANYWAY...if the engine is fucked I will rebuild it. No problem.
BACK TO THE PROBLEM!!
Last night the engine was going NUTTS. Turns out the idle problem IS DIRECTLY related to the misfire situation. There is no idle control problem. There is a misfire problem! I think the problem lies in the ignition system. I JUST replaced my distributor so I will replace the rest of the ignition system and then if the problem is still there check the dist again!
What happens is the engine misfires, RPM's drop and then the idle control valve increases the RPM's to compensate and keep the car from stalling, then the revs are too high so it drops them back down to 800RPM. It reaches a MAX of 1000RPM and a MIN of about 450RPM.
I think once I can solve the misfire problem the rest will take care of itself!
There is still no check engine light so I dont think any sensors have failed. FINGERS CROSSED....I bet its a fouled plug!
Will see when I open the bitch up on Sat morning.
STILL.....it does not over heat....does not misfire above 1100RPM (or at least I cant feel it), engine lacks NO power, shifts fine, sounds OK......its still good!
I dont think its a headgasket problem!
QUESTION....what cyl. pressure should I have when I do a compression test?
I replaced the plugs and wires and it runs SO SMOOTH now!
The old plugs that were in there were REALLY worn out. They needed changed BAD and the wires I just replaced anyway with an aftermarket set!
It fired right up and purrs like a kitten again!
I pulled the valve cover off because the friggn plug wire boot seals were stuck around the plugs but it didnt get me any closer at all. I had to make a little tool to pull them out! THAT took me the longest!
I pulled the plugs out and they were just toast....I also found a sticker that tells me I need a new timing belt! SO..thats next! QUESTION...can you do the timing belt with the engine still in the car? Or do you have to pull it?
I decided NOT to compression test the engine because I had a car blow an ignition computer because I didnt ground it and it ended up costing me 700 bucks to replace. The compression is fine anyway....it idles smooth and has lotsa' low end pull! (automatic)
I ALSO learned these engines are WAY diff than Honda engines. One cam drives off the other cam. I dont know if I like it or not yet?!?!!? I gotta learn more!
ALSO.....I dunno whos idea it was to put JESUS clips on the plug wires (at the distributor end) but JESUS......you dont need those....it just makes things more complicated!
WHen I was all finished I searched AND FOUND my missing coolant. I have a pin hole leak in the rad. No big deal...I dumped in 1/2 a box of pepper in the rad and the leak has stopped!
Then I checked the oil and its still gold like it was two weeks ago when I chaged it....which tells me the combustion is clean!
I detailed the interior and shampooed the seats which made a BIG diff and I also found something......A REAR FACING SEAT!
This car just keeps on givin' I'm telling you guys!
I love this car!
ANYWAY...now the car runs smooth, has more torque and is getting a LITTLE better fuel economy!
OH...I also installed a 6 disk CD changer under the rear facing seats.....I upgraded the stock speakers too to a cheap set of Sony's!
Nice sound....10" sub is comming soon. Actually 2 10" subs will go in the back!
You don't need to remove the engine for the timing belt !!!! Just unbolt the front engine mount in order to raise the engine and get enough space. You won't have a lot of space but it is ok. Timing belt replacement is not too complicated on this car. Good luck !
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