Trying to swap an S54 into my 95 5SFE

[DEZY]

I would like to swap an S54 5-speed into my 95 5SFE. i hate auto unless im draggin. is there any electronics i need with the S54 or can just throw it in. I know one of you is gonna tell me this is SOOOO complicated. Im an ASE CERTIFIED mechanic. I have done swaps that you would never emagine in your wildest dreams. AWD 2.5t Stang, 2JZ Camaro, and a few others. i just dont know much about the camry, or the celica. thanks in advanced.

[Bdub215]

im about 100% sure everything should hook up. you'll probably need the 4cyl 5spd camry linkages along with the "footwork." (but dont quote me). S54 = bye bye gas mileage just as a heads up.

[DEZY]

did they make a 4cyl 5-speed camry? i thought all the 4cyl were auto. that stuff should be available through my auto parts supplier. i dont mind about gas mileage. im going for a gold medal in highest WHP N/A 5SFE camry.. should be an easy medal. does anybody know who has the highest whp n/a 5sfe camry at the moment? also how much whp is it cranking out? Dyno Graph proof?

[ASG14]

There has ALWAYS been a 5-speed Camry I4. Well, untill the 2010, which is now a 6-speed manual.

Honestly, I will say your not goign to get all that much whp on an NA 5SFE without MAJOR money spent (cost less to swap in a 3SGTE with a 5-speed then to get a 5SFE to the same whp).

With that said:
1: Clutch pedal
2: Clutch master cyl
3: Clutch lines with slave cyl (likely would come with the used tranny)
4: Brake pedal
5: Shifter/base/trim bezel
6: Shifter cables
7: 5-speed ECU (Get the same year witht he same Emissions to be safe, Cali or Fed emmisions)

Shifter and cables bolt right in, no moding needed. Same for the brake pedal.
For the clutch pedal and master cyl, there is a template ont he firewall right behind the rubber padding. You can easily find the template as there is a diamond cutout in the rubber you can feel for.

You WILL have to wire int he neutral safety switch. Since you'd be using the 5-speed ECU, there should not be any CEL issues.

As for the axles, THAT I;m not sure on. I know more on doign the 5-speed swap on the V6 motor.

~Adam

[DEZY]

Thanks adam. that was beautiful. . i dont mind making my own axles if i absolutely have to. would the 3SGTE really be a better choice for a N/A build? I was thinking i could have some valves, springs, guides, seals, retainers, etc. special ordered so i could really open up the 5s head. major porting, and pretty aggressive but streetable cams. i was told i could get cams from ?webcams? never heard of them. i can hand make my own intake and exhaust manifolds to my desired specs. i found a nice set of forged rods that need to be reworked a little, and forged pistons for 11:1. also a cometic, and a high vol oil pump. pretty much i just need to source a fuel system, throttle body, and ignition system. i was told the 5S crank can handle a good amount of stress. Im not short on money but im not trying to go broke.

[ASG14]

The 3SGTE is a Turbo engine (MR2 Turbo and Celica Turbo). So I don;t think you'd be doing an NA build on that. :-P

I will be honest, I know a lot on the 1MZ-FE V6, but not all that much on the 5SFE. BUT, as for the axles, the Auto ones MAY work, but the 5-speed ones would be a direct swap. So nothing custom needed.

IF you are hell bent on an NA build, and it being an I4, this is the other option which most people will likely forget about, the 3S-GE which we didn't get in the US. Well, we got it, but only the really early version of the motor: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Toyot...Q5fAccessories

[DEZY]

ill be honest ive been having second thoughts all along. ive been told numerous times that i should be doing a 3VZ or a 1MZ swap. i just dont know how much fab is needed for those swaps. i can do it but im not really good with toyotas this is my first toyota project. i have used a toyota engine once before though. ive been told that the 3VZ i think it is uses the same mounts as this 5S but there is ?one more? or ?one moved? or something like that. do i need to splice into my harness or does the 3VZ engine harness hook up to the 5S chassis harness? which would be the most compatible with my engine bay? 3VZ or 1MZ? thanks again.

[ASG14]

^ EEngineer's 5SFE auto to 3VZ 5spd swap thread

It was one crazy project. Yes, I actually drove to Canada to help.

As for 1MZ or 3VZ, it would all depend on what your looking for. If you ARE goign to build it, or leave it be.

[DEZY]

depends on the power and dependability of the engine. im looking for 250-300whp N/A. if i can do that with just I/E, fuel management, cams, and pistons ill be a happy camper.

[ASG14]

For YOUR car, being a '95, I'd suggest using the 1MZ. The 1MZ was paired with the dual airbags, the 3VZ came with single. So yeah, you can imagine the wiring issues with there.

Have you thought about doing a 5speed 1MZ with the TRD SuperCharger? I;m doing 224whp on my 1MZ Auto. The same setup with a 5-speed would be around 250, and just a couple more upgrades and you'll have a little more, and pretty reliably.

As for building it NA, there is not to much unless you go ALL custom. My friend Gabe (TRD4Life) has done a couple builds for NA performance using the 3MZ block and 1MZ heads. It apparently words witht he stock 1MZ harness sonce the only difference int he bottom end is just the displacement. Doing the 3MZ/1MZ hybrid, and port and polished heads, you'll get some decent power. And probably a bunch of small upgrades that will add a little, like the OBX headers/y-pipe.

[DEZY]

what about twin turboing the 1MZ? not HUGE turbos, just two small ones, something that can be run on a pretty stock engine. superchargers are past the limit of what i want to spend, esp from TRD. if i could get 250 with the 5-speed 1mz with twin turbos i would be very happy. i might add this is for my wife, she will be daily driving it when its finished. thats why im not pushing for more than 250-300. my mustang is at a healthy 781hp N/A.

[ASG14]

Honestly....no matter how you look at it, your not goign to get 250whp without $4k in work. And the Twin Turbo will cost a decent bit more. We here don't mod the Camry cause it's cheap, I'll tell you that, haha. I;ve worked on probably 6 Supercharged Camry's/Solara this year. And the SC is about as reliable as you'll get with the numbers you want to put down.

Sadly, it will cost you more to get 250whp NA then it would with the SC. And NA would likely be less reliable.

Do a search for Tony The Tiger He;s the Camry God here. About 600whp in lis '94 V6 Auto. :-D

[DEZY]

that will probably be my route then. how much is the trd sc? what vehicle can i pull a 5-speed 1mz from? does it use the same mounts as the 5s?

[ASG14]

www.SolaraGuy.com

[Gothmog3VZ]

Guys, if I'm not mistaken, he seems to be asking about the BMW S54 Straight-6...

Most people know it from the E46 M3, one of the most awesome cars ever. 3.2 litres, if I'm not mistaken, with 338 hp

Not too knowledgeable about the cross-compatibility, but if OP goes through with this, I want to hear about is (AND SEE PICS!!! )