92 3.0 5speed manual, clutch pedal problem

[T5shortblock]

hey guys, I had some serious air in my clutch system, pedal would be to the floor, grinding every gear, loll , tried to bleed it, air came back, I figured my seals in the slave and master were done, changed both, and voila, all fixed, works great!

Now, the pedal still dosen't come up completely, almost but not quite, car works great but after spending 145$ in parts, i'd like it to work perfectly! everythime I press the clutch pedal I have to pull the pedal back up so it comes up to the top, I bleeded the god damn thing for an hour, went through 1liter of fluid, I'm sure it has no air, I'm starting to think it might be in the pedal assembly...

I put my head under there last night, and the shaft connected to the pedal that goes through the firewall seems to not go in super straight, might be getting stuck on the way back? what would that part be called, it's the shaft that's actually moving the fluid, right? because the master is high up in the engine bay, so what relays the movement of the pedal to the master is?...

all the springs in the pedal assembly seem to be super stiff, so I don't think the problem is in the springs...

thanks guys,

[toytec]

Adjust the push rod to 2-4mm freeplay?

[T5shortblock]

how do I adjust the pushrod? dosen't seem like there is much play in terms of push and pull, the play is more in terms of not beeing alined properly in the hole...

[shadezz]

How was it replacing both the master and the slave? I'm planning on doing this over christmas break.... Also do you know if there is any other parts around shifter that could be updated or replaced. I get a little bit of friction when shifting into 1st, 2nd, and third. Thanks for the info

[old red]

this happens to me when i give my brother the car for too long lool
i think it got something to do with the way u shift

[T5shortblock]

Changing the master and slave was not to difficult took about 2 hours, both parts are very accessible, only thing that is a bit long is bleeding...

old red ,what did you do when you got the car back from your bro to fix it?

[T5shortblock]

Originally Posted by toytec

Adjust the push rod to 2-4mm freeplay?

I just found this very interesting document regarding freeplay... i`ll give it a try, the only thing is for this celica system, the master cylinder seems to be inline with the push rod at pedal height in the engine bay, but in the camry, the master is higher than the pushrod, so there is another system at pedal height in the engine bay getting the fluid pressure to the master.... right?

edit; forgot to add the link http://http://www.celicatech.com/ima...ual/clutch.pdf

[old red]

Originally Posted by T5shortblock

Changing the master and slave was not to difficult took about 2 hours, both parts are very accessible, only thing that is a bit long is bleeding...

old red ,what did you do when you got the car back from your bro to fix it?

dont fix it, i simply drive the i always do for a while and it returns to normal...
when i get it from my bro the pedal goes down near the floor and the engaging range of the pedal becomes at the very end... but after i drive it it goes back to being firmly held up high (like new) and the engaging range is at the beginning...

the way i shift is like this: i dont push the pedal all the way down, and when i shift i release the pedal kinda fast, so i hardly use any clutch

[EEngineer]

replace the clutch master cylinder.

when i got my car, the previous owner had the same problem and he replaced it and it solved the problem.

[T5shortblock]

the master has been replaced, the slave as well, but the pedal dosent come back up completly, regarding my previous post, I just realised that the pushrod is aligned with the master, but it did not seem like it, hence the confusion, the problem probably lies in the freeplay/pushrod, but i cant seem to adjust it so it will stay as is for now... :/

thanks for the comments guys!

[hmong337]

i'm having the same sort of problem with my 93 es300 5spd.

the pedal goes down to the floor but won't return. the engagement of the clutch is completely at the end too. i checked the services records and both slave and master have been replaced like 60,000kms ago. i wouldn't think they'd fail that soon.

any thoughts? help.

[EEngineer]

^i had the same problem...for me, it was because the clutch was almost gone,
and it went on me one day just when i was getting off highway and i had it towed home lol

[Chris Crash]

Bleed the crap out of it. Make sure there's no air in the lines. Also, make sure the push rod is properly connected and at the right length. If all that checks out...it could be your pressure plate.

[hmong337]

Originally Posted by EEngineer

^i had the same problem...for me, it was because the clutch was almost gone,
and it went on me one day just when i was getting off highway and i had it towed home lol

Originally Posted by Chris Crash

Bleed the crap out of it. Make sure there's no air in the lines. Also, make sure the push rod is properly connected and at the right length. If all that checks out...it could be your pressure plate.

thanks for the replies

i forgot to mention that the clutch was replaced 60,000kms ago too (did some digging through the receipts).

there's no way that those items could be toast so fast.

but i will try with bleeding the clutch lines first. they are pretty damn filthy!

also, from searching around, i hear that the line from the clutch master to slave can collapse causing slow return of the fluid back to the master. is this true?

[Chris Crash]

If it's dirty, then a flush would be good. Clutches CAN go bad that soon, depends how you drive and how the install was done...