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I was doing a bit of research into Oil Filters here on TN and I had been using the Toyota OEM filters, and once in a while Fram. I didn't like the Toyota OEM's cause they leaked oil all over the place when you changed them.
Several people here said to use Purolator, they didn't leak, so I thought I'd go check them out. Neither Autozone or Kragen stocks them, but Pep Boys does, so I headed out to Pep Boys to buy one.
They have a rough coating on the outside, like the Fram does to help turning them on and off, and that's nice. They are a peanut butter color I guess to stand out from the Fram orange, the STP blue, etc. So I pulled one off the shelf and got ready to leave. Then as I looked at the filter I couldn't help but think....the filters are soooo dinky. I looked on the shelf and there were lots of other filters and I took a bigger one and compared it to the one that fits my car. I found one that was taller, by maybe 1 1/4"- 1 1/2" and they looked the same, but probably had some internal differences.
So off to Purolator's site and I found one that was larger, had the identical specifications and since it was longer it would have a greater surface area. As an added bonus, since it was flesh colored, and it would stick out farther than the stock one, and the way it is positioned on the block, it might give my engine a little attitude, like the Blue Steel Hard-on look.
Other candidates are the Fram 3614/3600, Royal Purple 10-2835/20-561 and STP S3614/S3600 combinations. I haven't checked these specs to see that they are identical like the Purolator's are.
So I'm wondering if there are any advantages to a larger oil filter that would give more surface area or just stick to the stock one and forget about it.
There's a small advantage of the larger surface area. IMHO, not all that significant, but it won't hurt anything, either. Purolator tends to make a decent filter.
I do something similar with Toyota OEM filters -- my wife's 2008 Cam uses a larger filter than my '95, but the mating surfaces are the same. I just use the larger filter on both rigs (the cost of the smaller and larger filter is the same...go figure) -- one less thing to stock.
the purolator filters are pretty good, but the stock toyota ones are also about the same
the larger ones also fit the v8s, and I used to use them as well, but in the end, it was all the same really. if you change your oil as you should, the extra filtering shouldn't make much of a difference.
not sure what you mean by the purolator filters not leaking oil when changing them though? I use the purolator filters and they still leak oil just like any other filter since they are full of oil when changing them?
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not sure what you mean by the purolator filters not leaking oil when changing them though? I use the purolator filters and they still leak oil just like any other filter since they are full of oil when changing them?
I got the idea from this thread. A couple of people said that Purolators don't leak (??) RANT! Oil Change and I want to believe them, but I haven't tried a Purolator yet so I can't personally say for sure whether it leaks like the others or not.
the anti-drain valve/feature is more designed to help the engine by having additional oil pooled in the filter to get lubrication quicker to the motor on start-up
but I guess it does help a bit? but when the filter is almost perpendicular to the ground when you take it out, no filter will keep all the oil inside it
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I personally use the RAV4 filter which is a little taller. The stock Purolator part # is PL14476, the RAV4 part# is PL14477. I've been using this for about 3 years, I can't say I really notice a difference, but the cost is the same and it doesn't hurt anything.
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the Purolator is good. I like the WIX filter or NAPA Gold (made by WIX). I have always used the bigger filter if one is availabe as it does have more surface area and you can add a little more oil, 3-4 oz maybe???.
I was doing a bit of research into Oil Filters here on TN and I had been using the Toyota OEM filters, and once in a while Fram. I didn't like the Toyota OEM's cause they leaked oil all over the place when you changed them.
I saw this trick posted recently on a different forum.
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Here's a tip for DIY oil changers:
If you have a side mounted filter that makes a huge mess down the side of the engine block, poke a hole in the top corner of the filter. I have a 98 camry and it drools a bunch of oil as you unscrew the filter. I take a long screwdriver and poke an airhole in the filter. it drains out completely. Not even a drop of oil rolls down the engine now. I come home, poke the filter, go inside for a half hour and then go remove the drain plug. I prefer draining it when it is not scalding hot.
I think we got a "Who's on First" thing going on here. None of my oil filters have ever leaked when in use.
The only time they leak is when I go to unscrew them and replace them when I change the oil. Then they puke on the front of the engine. That's the leak I'd like to figure out a way to stop.
And based on some of the posts I thought the Purolator filter had some sort of magic anti drain feature to it, to counteract the nitwit design that Toyota came up with for the placement of the oil filter on the Camry.
Looking at the filter I couldn't fathom how it wouldn't leak when you unscrewed it. Nothing but a big hole for the oil to drain out.
I was thinking of a mod to fix it. The oil is pooling in the bottom of the filter to the depth of the nipple that you screw the filter on. Now if I drill some holes in the nipple towards the bottom then there would be more oil draining out through the holes in the nipple and it might not make such a mess. But if I drilled the holes too far down the nipple, then I'd have a high pressure permanent leak to contend with.
I tried the "puncture a hole in the filter" method, and it didn't work. Come to find out the filter is a double wall construction, and you have to puncture both walls to get it to drain out. When you do that it works OK. Only problem one time I got a bit too close to the center of the filter and banged the screwdriver too hard and then I nicked the threads on the nipple, and the filter wouldn't screw off because it got bound up on the threads.
So I had to get another nipple to replace the one I destroyed. So I quit doing the screwdriver thing, although it does work.
I was hoping I could use the Purolator filter, get the larger one, get more filter area and stop the dripping. Guess I just get the larger filter area. I'll need to figure out another way to stop the leaking when you unscrew the filter to change it.
Instead of the taller YZZD3, some dealers are said to use the shorter version so they don't have to stock more than one filter. I guess some owners don't know they're "short"-changed.
The PureOne has very good filtration efficiency, and if you don't mind the longer filter fill time, the Purolator PureOne PL20195 should be an excellent choice. Bosch Filtech 3422 is very similar. The Champion Labs built Bosch are being phased out as Bosch bought Purolator some while back. Motorcraft FL400S, said to be a Purolator on a dedicated Ford-inspected production line, has a different bypass valve location design but all three seem to have similar filtration media (of course, no scientific microscope measurements here).
Personally, I'd pick the above three over the WalMart STP or Fram. Don't know about Royal Purple.
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So off to Purolator's site and I found one that was larger, had the identical specifications and since it was longer it would have a greater surface area. As an added bonus, since it was flesh colored, and it would stick out farther than the stock one, and the way it is positioned on the block, it might give my engine a little attitude, like the Blue Steel Hard-on look.
So I'm wondering if there are any advantages to a larger oil filter that would give more surface area or just stick to the stock one and forget about it.
I think that's got to do with the stupid design than with oil filters? No? However, Toyota smartly "corrected" the mistake on later generations by putting it "right side up".
If you mean the residual oil coming out of the center tube, then I don't think there is anything you can do about it. Unless you have excessive bearing clearances, that oil is going to stay put for a while after shut-down. Which I think would in fact be a good sign.
But if the antidrainback valve fails to prevent the pre-media oil from draining out, then that's a failure. But I would think you'll still have to deal with the center tube oil?
Just unscrew it a little and soak up the oil with shop towels. Repeat until little pukes out. Then remove the filter.
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The only time they leak is when I go to unscrew them and replace them when I change the oil. Then they puke on the front of the engine. That's the leak I'd like to figure out a way to stop.
And based on some of the posts I thought the Purolator filter had some sort of magic anti drain feature to it, to counteract the nitwit design that Toyota came up with for the placement of the oil filter on the Camry.
Looking at the filter I couldn't fathom how it wouldn't leak when you unscrewed it. Nothing but a big hole for the oil to drain out.
PL14477 is the longer version after the intro of the 2.4L engine. It's a better choice than the PL14476 because of the filtration surface area.
Some I4s leak all the oil out of the filter (back into the crankcase) after shut down, but if yous doesn't and if you dont' mind a longer initial fill time, then the larger V6 filter mentioned should be fine too. Supposedly Purolator-made Motorcraft FL-400S is a very good value.
Of course, the use of anything other than specified technically void the warranty. Or what's left of it.
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My Purolator PureOne filters never leak.
I personally use the RAV4 filter which is a little taller. The stock Purolator part # is PL14476, the RAV4 part# is PL14477. I've been using this for about 3 years, I can't say I really notice a difference, but the cost is the same and it doesn't hurt anything.
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