Transmssion Question

[Muirner]

Hey TN!

I'm a lurker that finally needed to register so I could post the question i have. I'm looking at getting a 95 camry from a fellow forum'er on another forum I'm part of that threw a rod through the block. The car has been taken care of and doesnt need work other than to swap the motor. So here is where my question comes into play.

I've found a motor at a local junk yard that was pulled with 78,000 miles on it. The blown motor is a 5s-fe and the motor i've located is a 5s-fe, both 1995's. The problem is that the motor from the junk yard doesn't have a transmission attached to it. Is it possible to take the trans off the bad motor, and put it on the good motor? If so what would i need to do to it? I know when you do a trans swap in a standard you need to resurface the flywheel, poss the clutch ect. But i cant find anything about AT's. I've searched and searched to no avail.

Thanks!

[hill8570]

Should be more-or-less a slam dunk -- just pull the old motor & tranny as a unit, pop off the tranny from the old motor, bolt on to new motor, and toss back in. Bit of heavy lifting involved, but you already know that

Personally, I'd probably change out the oil seals (including the rear main), timing belt, and water pump on the new motor before I put 'er in (5S-FE's are oil leakers, and it's s-o-o-o-o much easier to do that work with the motor out). I'd probably have it torn down to that level anyhow just to make sure they didn't sell me a sludge queen. But that's all your call and doesn't really have anything to do with your question

[Chris Crash]

That would be a pretty easy swap if you're mechanically inclined!

Clean everything up while you're in there!

[Muirner]

My buddy is mechanically inclined and he mentioned doing the oil pump while we had the motor out, mind as well do the water pump as well. I figure it is a piece of mind to switch out the two aforementioned pumps and wile it's out the timing belt would be easy as well.

hill - Forgive my ignorance but what oil seals do you mean? I'm mechnically handy, but i'm drawing a blank...

How long would a swap like this take? Do you think if we took a weekend it could be done, and not hacking crap. I figure it shouldnt be hard seeing how it'll be the same motor so harnesses will match right up. I wanted to go 3s-gte but that's another thread, and another story. I'm just looking for a beater as i have my primary ride in the summer already, and this looks like it will be a great idea. I dont want my thread to go this way yet but how hard is a 1mz-fe swap?

My summer ride:

[Chris Crash]

If you're not swapping in a manual tranny, it will be easy. Shouldn't take more than a couple days. If you work all day you can knock it out in a weekend. I got an engine completely out (4 cyl 5 speed) in 3 hours so it's not too bad.

While it's out, just do every gasket you possibly can. Clean everything up. Belts. Seals. Pumps. Hoses. Everything.

[rusty9]

Originally Posted by Muirner

...threw a rod through the block. The car has been taken care of...

these things dont go together

everyone else is right, change out the things that are easy to change while the engine is out. sure it may cost a bit more but you wont have to worry about it for another 100k miles.

could be a weekend job if your pal is well motivated.

[hill8570]

Originally Posted by Muirner

My buddy is mechanically inclined and he mentioned doing the oil pump while we had the motor out, mind as well do the water pump as well. I figure it is a piece of mind to switch out the two aforementioned pumps and wile it's out the timing belt would be easy as well.

hill - Forgive my ignorance but what oil seals do you mean? I'm mechnically handy, but i'm drawing a blank...

How long would a swap like this take? Do you think if we took a weekend it could be done, and not hacking crap. I figure it shouldnt be hard seeing how it'll be the same motor so harnesses will match right up.

Fist thing I'd do is pop off the valve cover, inspect for sludge, and take a pass on the motor if she's a sludgy mess. Might as well replace the valve cover gasket while you're there, but it can also be easily done later.

As far as oil seals go:

Camshaft oil seal 90311-38046
Oil pump gasket 15197-63021
Crankshaft seal 90311-42026

Oil pump o-ring 15188-63010
Oil pump seal 15165-70010

If you're replacing the oil pump, you don't have to worry about the last two -- they're part of the pump. Those pumps are good for 200K+, 'tho, so I'd be tempted to just replace the seals rather than replace the pump. Even at ebay prices on an Aisin (Toyota OEM) pump, you'll save a good $100. Don't waste your money on some piece of crap Chinese-built pump.

Water pump, I'd go Aisin also. Not sure if volkstoy on ebay is still selling timing belt replacement kits, but if so you can get a good price on most of the stuff you need to replace on that side of the motor. Check out the DIY collection -- there is a comprehensive two-part description of replacing the timing belt, seals, idlers, and water pump there. Since you'll be pulling the engine instead of going in through the wheel well, some of it doesn't apply, but most does.

Since you'll have the tranny off, replacing the other hard-to-replace leaker

90311-85006 Seal, Engine Rear Oil

is a good thing to do. Also popping off the oil pan, inspecting the oil pump pickup screen for crap, and cleaning out the oil pan is somewhat easier with the engine out.

I'd allow two weekends for the job, just to be safe. First weekend to fix up the original engine, then start the hard part of the engine pull (freeing up the half shafts, busting loose the rust on the motor mounts), then the following weekend to do the actual pull and swap. If you work in parallel (one fixing up the replacement, one doing the pull) you might be able to pull it off in a weekend, but shit happens.