3rd & 4th Generation (1992–1996 & 1997–2001)Toyota Camry Discussion for years: 1992-1996 & 1997-2001
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From the articles I have read they make it sound like nothing to take the auto tranny out and put the Manual one in. I would love to put a five speed manual in if/when my auto breaks
While I've never tried a Camry with a manual, I've tried a few other rigs comparing manual vs auto, and the manual always felt "peppier" on the rigs with small motors (4-bangers). Not so much with the larger motors.
Part of this is the weight (slushboxes weigh significantly more than a manual tranny), part is the efficiency (autos have a small amount of inherent slip until they lock up), and part is that a human driver tends to rev higher between shifts than what an auto is programmed to do.
The swap doesn't look like a slam-dunk to me, 'tho. A fun project, but it'd take a significant amount of time the first time you did it.
Yeah right now I'm in college and dont have that much time to do a project like this. But there is the summers. But I also don't have an engine lift. So I wouldn't be able to lift the engine out. If I could find a toyota camry 5 speed tranny at a junk yard that was in good condition for a low price I would really consider doing this. But with out and engine lift I'm dead in the water.
I really want to. But again I dont have an engine lift. Is that going to be a problem?
Find. Swingset.
Seriously though, as the other posters have said, it's well worth it, especially in a 4 cyl. You go from a transmission with less speeds (4) that's built for fuel economy to a transmission where you control 100% how high you rev the engine before shifting, can't beat it.
Ok great! I might even be able to get a discount on the tranny from the junk yard. I give them my working 4 speed auto. Does the tranny need to be from a camry of the same year? also could a use a supra tranny? what options would I have and which ones would be best?
let me put it this way:
a 4-banger with an autotragic tranny has a 0-60 of ~12-13 seconds (which is horrid; my friend used to have one, challenged me while I was in an Explorer with 3 other people riding along. Guess who won? ).
a 4-banger with a manual is about as fast as as the slushpumper V6 (~8-second 0-60; not too bad, but could be better)
and the 5-speed V6 smokes em all despite it's conservatively-rated official 7.4-second 0-60 (it can drop into the 6-second range if you're a good shifter; ask EEng).
so, DO THE SWAP!!!
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i've had 3 clutches and my engine droped twice all from the underside. 2x4 across the top with some chains to hold the engine, drop the sub frame with the tranny attached, the engine only needs to be unbolted from the trans, no screwing with the wiring harness or removing hoses. easy job if your handy around the car at most a weekend job.
supra trans is rwd you have fwd, not a chance in hell it will fit.
any trans that been bolted to the 5s will be fine (s52), the e(1)53 normally found in 2 gearings shoter on the pre 96 found on the 3vz and 3s-gte, and wider on the 1mz(97+)
also i been rumored the later (99+?) s52 were stronger and smoother shifting (an extra syncro)
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Just a weekend job? I haven't done anything this major. So far I have raplaced the shocks (took 2 days), changed spark plugs, changed engine and tranny oil and filters, and changed brake pads. I mean is it really as simple as taking the oil tranny off and bolting on the new one? In the article I read the guy had to get a new front axle and an engine mount. But I'm not ganna lie you guys have pretty much talked me into it now
You need manual mounts. Axles can stay. You need the computer too. Wiring harness would be nice, but that's a lot of work.
I don't expect you to have it done in a weekend. You'll need to bypass the clutch start switch too.
The hardest part for me was installing the clutch pedal/master cylinder. Took me forever.
You don't need to drop the engine or move it at all.
ok not as bad as what that guys article made it out to be. When you say I need the computer and wiring harness would be nice. what are those things and could I pull them off the donor car?
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Seriously though, as the other posters have said, it's well worth it, especially in a 4 cyl. You go from a transmission with less speeds (4) that's built for fuel economy to a transmission where you control 100% how high you rev the engine before shifting, can't beat it.
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