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Old 02-20-2010, 04:11 PM   #1 (permalink)
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should i get these chips from ebay for fuel saving and performance?

hey guys,
i have a 95 camry, found these 4 different chips on ebay, they claim it will increase performance and mpg (by the way they have good feedback)! so I just wanted the opinions of you guys:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/A-PER...ht_10093wt_939

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-1...#ht_6711wt_939

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/90-09...ht_2419wt_1165

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Perfo...ht_7098wt_1130


so do you guys prefer any? any opinions? any personal recomendations? my budget for these things were like $40


thanks a bunch

also does the gas tank of a 95 camry have the anti-siphoning devide?
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Old 02-20-2010, 04:14 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Those are a scam.

Don't waste your time. Check the DIY sticky for instructions to trick the IAT, that will help performance for about $5.
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Old 02-20-2010, 04:15 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Lol

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hey guys,
i have a 95 camry, found these 4 different chips on ebay, they claim it will increase performance and mpg (by the way they have good feedback)! so I just wanted the opinions of you guys
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More power while saving gas just doesn't make sense to me. I don't ever get eBay parts cause I know they're cheaply made. Save your money and spend that on REAL upgrades instead of a computer chip. Remember:

"The poor man pays twice".
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Those are a scam.

Don't waste your time. Check the DIY sticky for instructions to trick the IAT, that will help performance for about $5.
which one? (link plz)
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ive heard that you only see a difference with these chips and those electric intake turbos when your running turbo and such, but other then that if your running a n/a vehicle, you wont notice anything at all
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Those are a scam.

Don't waste your time. Check the DIY sticky for instructions to trick the IAT, that will help performance for about $5.
why the hell would you recommend this?

tricking anything in your car is a stupid idea, and should immediately be disgarded from your memory or thoughts


tricking the sensors does not work at all. it REMOVES power and REMOVES mpg


your best mpg and power gain is simply taking care of your car.


REAL after-market parts are for adding power, not some stupid ebay gimmick

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why the hell would you recommend this?

tricking anything in your car is a stupid idea, and should immediately be disgarded from your memory or thoughts


tricking the sensors does not work at all. it REMOVES power and REMOVES mpg


your best mpg and power gain is simply taking care of your car.


REAL after-market parts are for adding power, not some stupid ebay gimmick

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I just hate seeing people scammed from crap like that.

this is the reason lots of people waste money on big brands versus ebay stuff, because little scams like these go under the radar and snipe a bunch of people.

There are lots of other parts on ebay that can increase your mileage

PM me if interested. quite a few after market performance parts can be adjusted for mileage AND power increase.
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Old 02-20-2010, 06:42 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I know. Me too. In the DIY free mods series there's a post about how to wire up a potientiometer to the IAT with a switch on it. All it does is tell the IAT that the engine is colder than it really is, which is the same thing some of these ebay scams do. But it's less than $5 and the only thing it affects is gas mileage because you're running rich. That's the only reason for a slight performance gain, is the extra gasoline.

I've never really found any type of mod that will both improve performance and gas mileage. There has to be a trade off.
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there are always small ways to improve both performance and mileage

If you can increase torque in your cruising RPM's you gain both performance and mielage

torque is a relation of work and strain on your motor. the more torque it has at a given rpm, the less effort the motor exerts at that rpm.

to paint a big picture, having more torque is very similar to having a lighter weight car. less gas is used to move the same mass.


I experimented with quite a few different intakes for my hodnas, and found the best gas mileage in the form of a small diameter cold air intake of my design

a cold air intake is long, and is putting the filter/intake entry outside the engine bay.
a warm air intake is known as a short ram and keeps the intake entry inside the engine bay, and generally has all the piping as well, under the hood.

the longer it is, the more atmospheric pressure the intake system sees, and the easier it can grab at air.

you sacrifice high rpm power with a longer tube length though, as fresher colder air warms up the longer its in the tube.

if any of you have ever seen the stock intake system for a 88-91 honda prelude, you will see it goes forward to the front, then wraps BACK to the firewall area, where it gets the air. though it was more for performance, given it was sucking air far away form the hot radiator and exhaust, it added gas mileage due to increased low and mid range torque.

I used this idea when I created an intake out of PCV

If anyone is interested in how I did it, PM me and I can send you a little diagram
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I'm pretty interested in that intake you made.

I've got an injen SRI on the way that I was gonna mod to a CAI.
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Ill have to see if I have a picture of it.

Otherwise Ill jsut find a picture of a 92-95 civic or 93-95 del sol and make a minor photo edit
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see that hole on the left?

I basically made the piping snake directly to that hole, then go underneath in a tight U bend, then clamped a few pieces of metal with some holes drilled to it and mounted it to the transmission.

I couldnt find any of my pictures. I must have backed it up to a disc, none of my del sol pictures are on my photobucket except when I was parting it out and right when I bought it

that is 3 inch piping on that picture, if you look closely the coupler off the throttlebody is a reducer

my 2.75 piping rubbed each other, there was not much room. I foudn it was rubbing on teh sparkplugs and distributor cap, so I repalced my torque mounts (on hodnas, they are mounted on the tranny bracket and A/C compressor brackets, bolted to teh underside of each chassis arm) and bought poly inserts off ebay (energy suspension, search that+ your car, might have em)


that reduced the rubbing by a lot, since the motor wasnt moving hardly at all anymore.

I still took that metal strip rolls, those rolls of inch wide metal that is full of holes? and clamped a strip of that and bolted it to the strut tower, so both pipes were now secured.





If you guys want a bit of help making one of these, PM me a few good pictures of your engine bay and I would be glad to help.

At one time I almost considered getting slightly taller tires, not only for a lsightly bigger profile for ride comfort, but for the gearing change, but so I can run a length of intake piping across teh car and come up teh other side.

the hole behind the driver headlight is where the windshield washer fluid container used to be. I could easily rig another cars smaller WS washer jug and put it behind the intake manifold somewhere, maybe on teh crossmember.

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Oh wow. Definitely gonna PM you pictures of my engine bay, hahaha.

I've got an Injen SRI on the way to work with, I want to turn it into a full CAI.
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