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Old 03-16-2010, 01:37 AM   #1 (permalink)
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3rd Generation Axle not seated properly in steering knuckle?[Images]

How I hate re-manufactured/New axles/halfshafts...I put in a reman Kragen drivers side axle yesterday and it doesnt seem to go all the way inside steering knuckle.
I hammered the steering knuckle to help seat it properly but to no avail. Needless to say whole car "sways" on freeway as the axle spins the wheel out of round. Any solution for the below problem?
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are u sure you have the correct half shaft for your car? did u compare the new and the old one?

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^ What davemac2 said. Some of the generation 3 Camrys had Toyota axles and some had GKN axles. They are not interchangable. Make sure you got the right axle. The place you got the axle from should have identified it by your VIN. Did they ask for it?

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No VIN number check

Thanks dav mc and Mike for your replies.

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are u sure you have the correct half shaft for your car? did u compare the new and the old one?

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Since I was doing it for the first time I did not compare the old and new halfshafts. I trusted Kragen/Oreilly to hand over the correct halfshaft!
The worst part is I already returned my OEM axle for this axle
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The place you got the axle from should have identified it by your VIN. Did they ask for it?Mike
They did NOT ask me for VIN number.I walked up in the store,mentioned my car details and they handed me a halfshaft. BTW even RockAuto doesnt ask for VIN number
Is there any trick that I am missing to seat it properly all the way inside the steering knuckle? I assume it should seat very easily. Anybody with similar experiences please chime in.
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What about the NUT side. How many threads are showing?

What I see is you have a ride w/out anit-lock brakes and its missing the dust shield making it look like a gap exists when its mearly the dust shield missing. Do you still have the old axel shafts. These can be tapped off with a big screw driver by gently working your way around the axel. Put them back using the same method.


Tell us about the nut and this swaying condition. You have the toe-in checked after the tie-rod ends were installed?

Does it make strange noises when you turn? Did it start immediately after the axel replacement and WHAT other parts were installed at that time?

Torque - how much did you apply to tighten it? With a 2 ft breaker a 140+ lb person could bounce on it several times and get it to 250ft/lbs which should be fine.

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EDIT: OK - I read this again. The axles are gone and it vibrates. Bad ailgnment (toe) won't cause vibrations until the tires get cupping wear patterns ect. So thats out.

The big nut secures the hub to the bearing to the axel. Is it tight? What makes you think its not in all the way? Did the splines not feel right when slid it together?

FYI: The lower ball joint looks to be less then tight, but its just a picture and you got the jimmie-cotter pin in so it must be OK. I'd expect just a couple more threads to be showing though.

PS - the nail in the ball joint: although it will keep the joint from completely departing after it comes loose - something is wrong! The ball joint shafts hole should align (depth wise) with the castle nut such that the jimmie cotter pin engauges the castle's nuts slot. When assembled correctly, the pin will NOT allow the nut to turn at all!
2 things: the ball joint has the wrong taper (DANGER) or the nut is simply too short. Replace the nut with a longer one. If the taper is wrong a slight tap with a hammer will knock the shaft from the hole you have the wrong part installed!
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did you transfer over the dust shield(s) from the old to the new? this might help to explain the gap you see. does the axel where it connects to the steering knuckle feel loose?
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What about the NUT side. How many threads are showing?
The threads from nut side are 3. Its the same number of threads from nut side on the passenger and driver side axles.

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What I see is you have a ride w/out anit-lock brakes and its missing the dust shield making it look like a gap exists when its mearly the dust shield missing.
By design isnt the axle supposed to sit snugly with the steering knuckle? Wouldnt the dust boot too grind against the steering knuckle? Just wondering...
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Do you still have the old axel shafts. These can be tapped off with a big screw driver by gently working your way around the axel. Put them back using the same method.
Junkyard/Salvage yard is my only option as I returned my old axles
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Tell us about the nut and this swaying condition. You have the toe-in checked after the tie-rod ends were installed?
Yes. I got an alignment after I replaced both my TREs and BJs 3 months ago when I first time replaced my axles due to a torn boot.
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Does it make strange noises when you turn? Did it start immediately after the axel replacement and WHAT other parts were installed at that time?
It doesnt make any strange noises now. I had done the drivers axle TREs and BJs at that time.
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Torque - how much did you apply to tighten it? With a 2 ft breaker a 140+ lb person could bounce on it several times and get it to 250ft/lbs which should be fine.
Thats the only thing bothering me. I havent torqued it much, maybe like 150 ft lbs. Coz thats the only torque wrench I have with me right now. Will that spin the wheel out of round? dunno

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2 things: the ball joint has the wrong taper (DANGER) or the nut is simply too short. Replace the nut with a longer one. If the taper is wrong a slight tap with a hammer will knock the shaft from the hole you have the wrong part installed!
I looked at a previous picture I took before swapping out the BJ...its pretty similar and safe I guess
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did you transfer over the dust shield(s) from the old to the new? this might help to explain the gap you see. does the axel where it connects to the steering knuckle feel loose?
I think thats where a mobile mechanic I hired in December 09 messed it up. He lost the dust boot on the axle Thats when I decided to work on my car myself Afterall you dont pay people to mess up your car!!
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if i recall the axle nut should be like 250+. ive had axles sticking out like that BEFORE tightening the axle nut which snugs it right up(in). did you grease the splines?

mechanics lesson learned today:

always compare axles before swapping them.
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A unbalanced axle might cause vibration, but the axle will not cause the wheel to turn out-of-round.

The wheel bearing is part of the spindle assembly, and the hub presses into the bearing. The axle just turns the hub -- it doesn't have anything to do with keeping the wheel on-axis. The car rolls just fine with a missing axle (although it's unsafe -- the axle nut keeps the wheel captive on the spindle if the bearing fails).

You likely have some other problem.

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I should have said OUTER tie rod end (one with nail), its the one that looks wrong as if wrong nut, wrong taper, or wrong part.

Loosen the nut and tap the stud. If it pops out something is WRONG!

Safety first: its the steering. Don't be afraid to tighten it! A 9" box end wrench pulled at arm strength might yield 60 to 75ft/lbs. If something breaks or strips, better now than when hitting a pot hole at 75mph and having it fall of then.

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The wheel bearing seal is good at keeping its grease in. PERIOD!
The dust shield is to deflect water spray and gravel chunks thus preventing direct access to the seal. Don't violate the seal. You will pay for this!

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Don't worry about a torque wrench you won't break the nut or axel by doing this. Put a 2 to 3 foot breaker bar on that nut. Get the bar parallel to the ground and jump on it! This is WAY better than leaving it at 150ft/lbs b'cuz you don't own the right t/w!

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As for the wobble, vibration, noise;
Just as we all stated above, the axel will have no impact on the wheel runout unless you:
A) have bearing failure
B) the hub departed from the bearing (think loose nut)
C) you dropped a ball from the outer CV joint or inner trunion joint during axel install and its binding between the transaxle and the suspension. You can do this by pulling the joint apart during the axle install. If the builder didn't grease it good and you pulled the joint apart far enough, gravity will have consequences!
D) the wheel is not on the hub correctly. This is dangerous!
E) if the axle has runout, it's a reject! VERY unlikely, as you could drive over it and not bend it! But a Crash - a crash could bend it and IF they never checked it, maybe its the one in your car!!!!!!!! >. hint can you feel it at speeds of less than 44mph?
>> I suggest you place the car on jack stands front wheels in the air (do all that safety stuff too) and put it in low gear at idle. If the engine and trans are moving in an eccentric fashion you dropped a ball in an axel and its binding up. Watch the wheels for run out too. Stop everything and feel the boots for bulges (may not be easy on the inner).

As for an unbalnced axel, you need to be at speeds exceeding the capability of a 4banger. Not likely. See above. Bent = is possible tho.

>> By design isnt the axle supposed to sit snugly with the steering knuckle? Wouldnt the dust boot grind against the steering knuckle? NO - you have two options to fill that void. One is the counter ring for the anti-lock brakes the other is a stamped part. Its close to the knuckle but not touching. Call a axel rebuilder. I bet they send you a set for cheap.

How is the axle related to "swaying" wtf? Makes no sense, please try and explain what you're talking about.

Rank this: 1 - 10: would someone who never drove this car say, hey somethings wrong (5), it scared the hell out of me at 17mph (10) or is it so miner only you know it (1)??????

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