3rd & 4th Generation (1992–1996 & 1997–2001)Toyota Camry Discussion for years: 1992-1996 & 1997-2001
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Okay i have a 92 camry 5-speed manual.
Timing belt was making some noise so i pulled it apart did the water-pump, oil-pump an seals. The balance shaft was screwed up so i removed it. Tapped the oil passage and put everything back together and now the car will not start.
It has spark & fuel tested all of that.
It does try to start, alot of GUU GUU GUUU but wont start. It did start once but would not idle. As soon as my foot left the pedal it died and now i cant get it to start again
Tore out the distributor its fine everything is good.
Did a compression test im getting 15psi acrossed all cylinder suppose to be at 125. Don't understand why its not.
Checked the plugs there good and im getting full spark.
So im at a loss was they anything else i was suppose to do when removal was done on the balance shaft? such as advance timing or anything that i missed. Cause im going off the car ran fine before i started this journey of doing the pumps and timing and getting rid of the balance shaft.
Well, assuming you didn't forget to install the head gasket(unlikely), it sounds like the valve timing is off. In that case, either the intake or exhaust valves are partially open during the compression stroke. Re-check the timing marks, and make sure they all line up.
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either the intake or exhaust valves are partially open during the compression stroke. Re-check the timing marks, and make sure they all line up.
That was my thought.
I Marked everything it should be timed correctly. But i did think maybe the valves are coming open prematurely (or are opened) and causing low compression readings not allowing the car to start.
I guess i'll rip it all back-down and re-check it all. Is there anything else you can think of? I'm in no mood to tear it down again but will do so if i cannot figure it out soon
It could be something as simple as the cam gears being off by one tooth to each other. It's also possible the timing belt jumped a tooth(or two), and that's why the valves are open during the compression stroke. It could also be a combination of both.
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Okay Pulled the cover off timing skipped 5 teeth.
Re-timed set it and car is running great thanks for everyones help. Just figured i'd post results up.
Just went and did a canyon run. Car feels different for sure, as far as power gains kinda but nothing major. Just kinda feels slightly torquier. I didn't notice any difference in engine noise at all (but i have straight pipe and CAI) But there is a noticeable difference in the feel of the throttle. Over-all great so far no problems and i'll keep everyone informed as i put some major mileage behind it. Just hope that i didn't get to much metal dust in my engine from it tearing the shafts apart
Every time I've read about people removing the balance shaft, they say the engine actually runs a bit better with no increase in vibration. What gives? Did Toyota sign a contract with Mitsubishi that they couldn't get out of? Toyota doesn't generally put things in the engine that are not needed.
This from "JOYOTAMAN: the oil strainer has two bolts that are attached to the oil pump, that’s enough to hold it without being bolted to balance shaft. I worked on four cylinder power trains at the Toyota plant and have built these engines for 10 yrs. I think the only reason they put the balance shaft on there was due to customer complaints of vibrations on the 92-96 engines."
. . . . . Just hope that i didn't get to much metal dust in my engine from it tearing the shafts apart
Not sure how many miles you have on it since being apart but I'd short cycle the oil changes and cut open the current filter and look through filter element. You will see if anything is going through the oil.
For folks that KNOW they have matter running through their engines; metal or sludge chunks (after breaking chunks free), you might want to short cycle the oil changes.
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Well the motor has about 82k on it. And when i cleaned it there was alot of metal dust. A few small bits but mostly just dust so who knows what the internals looks like. But i did an egine flush and blasted all the parts clean. And im going to short cycle for a bit. But i did do a compression test and im getting 125 across the board so no loss in compression, so far no blue smoke either. I guess only time will tell.
(I've driven about 100miles sence removing the part)
But yeah there is no extra noticable vibration. If your in second gear at a very low speed that you could actually be in first gear for, then you do get a noticable vibration aside from that none.
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Any noticeable increase in performance without the balance shafts?
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