Will the e153 fit on a 5sfe? - Toyota Nation Forum : Toyota Car and Truck Forums

project92camry · 10-10-2010, 02:10 AM

so i have a 92 cam xle 5sfe that started slipping cause of the crazy way i drive.. but any who, so ive been trying to get my hands on a nice 5speed thats strong enough to hold about 350 hp. i hear that this famous e153 will do the job but ive been trying to figure out if you can use a e153 (5spd tranny) on a 5sfe and can i use the same axles since the 5sfe auto and manual axles are the same.. im still not sure cause ive been seeing the e153 on v6 engines. i found this from a site and it says that he tranny is used on a..
"(Toyota Camry V6) - (Second generation (MKII) Toyota MR2 Turbo SW22 (1990-1999))"

that must mean the bell housing from the v6 and 4cly are the same cause the mr2 turbo is a (I4)3sgte. so in thats the case.

WILL THE E153 FIT ON A 5SFE?

***LynchburgCSI*** · 10-10-2010, 02:22 AM

The e153 has the same bell housing as the other camry trannies. Yes, it will fit. The axles are where things get fun. I'm not 100% sure there.

I'm smelling a budget 5s-fe turbo build here... and those DO NOT go well from what i've seen here on the forums. I'd highly highly recommend you swap to a different engine while the tranny is out (3vz-fe, 3s-gte).

project92camry · 10-10-2010, 02:29 AM

im trying to stay 4 banger.. and really tryin to keep this engine cause i did alot of work to it already.

***LynchburgCSI*** · 10-10-2010, 02:34 AM

You could choose a better engine for a ~350whp build. But oh well. This is about the tranny. Good luck with your build!

project92camry · 10-10-2010, 02:42 AM

i kno but for now while its still kickin ill just stay away from that until that time comes lol

RichieRichJP · 10-10-2010, 10:52 AM

You would definitely find your answer if you SEARCHED.

This has been talked about a numerous amount of times.

***N/A Camry Sleeper*** · 10-10-2010, 03:22 PM

Does the e153 have the 0.73:1 5th gear ratio, or is it the s54 that has the longer gear? I have the 0.83:1 5th gear on my car (1996 5S 5-spd)and have been looking for the taller gear for some time to help out with those long interstate trips I tend to take.

I have also heard that one can change the 5th gear by itself without removing the tranny from the car -anyone ever attempted this?

bigbird · 10-10-2010, 03:25 PM

IIRC, the s54 has shorter gears, including 5th. not sure what the ratio is exactly but it is quite a bit shorter. some mr2 V6 guys use it because of the shorter gearing.

good luck getting 350 out of a 5sfe. but i would definatly get the e153. when you blow up teh motor, you can use a proper engine/hybrid build and the e153 will bolt right up.

project92camry · 10-10-2010, 06:41 PM

ok ive been look since yesturday and maybe im type in the wrong thing in the search but all i find is v6 engines wit the e153 tranny.
i still tryin to figure out if that tranny will work with the 5sfe auto axles?

***N/A Camry Sleeper*** · 10-10-2010, 07:17 PM

5S-FE a/t to m/t swap, e153 or s54?

It has been done before a few years back - I didn't read the entire thread but I'm sure others have successfully done it - Googling "e153 to 5SFE" will get you some more results

By the way, getting 350WHP from a boosted 5SFE is not impossible, you just have to get past the weak points inherent in the design. You will need to use 3SGTE rods at least (and adapt them to the 5SFE crank) to get past the tiny rod bolt problem. That's usually the first thing to let go when ppl boost a 5S!!!!

Secondly, switch to shimless bucket lifters for more high-RPM reliability. You'll need better larger valves and likely a custom intake which would likely bendfit from extrude honing as well, etc etc

It sounds like a daunting project, but it CAN be done - just don't be too hasty - take your time and it will be a great motor. I don't know why more people don't hop up the lowly 5S motors - maybe because there are easier options out there. Take me for instance - I am looking to build a ~220WHP 5S N/A motor and many say I'm nuts.

They are all entitled to their opinions, sure; but I KNOW it can be done - just takes lots of time and patience (oh yeah and not to mention $$$), and MATERIALS SELECTION IS KEY!!!!

CLOSING NOTE: If the HONDA guys can get N/A ~250WHP out of a K20 13:1 build then why can't I???

mk2mr2 · 10-10-2010, 07:35 PM

e154 would fit. Axle should find something in the toyota famy that would fit. Mix match inners and outter if it's the worst case. If a e153 can fit in a mk1 I don't see why it'll be that hard to find something to fit in the camry.

Driven both n/a and turbo, it's built to match. N/a 5speed 5sfe is quick, short gear but no power, they match eachother. Turbo e153 stock lsd, taller gears, fun when you boosting, redline 3rd gear and you have pass over the speed limit already. As far as e153 the axle are stronger, so you would want to keep those if all possible.

mk2mr2 · 10-10-2010, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by project92camry

ok ive been look since yesturday and maybe im type in the wrong thing in the search but all i find is v6 engines wit the e153 tranny.
i still tryin to figure out if that tranny will work with the 5sfe auto axles?

It won't work. If I remember correct you need the e153 axle. If you have an lsd, you need the lsd e153 axle.

Just get the mr2. You be happier and keep your camry too. Chicks loves the mr2, auto cross, take it to the track, etc. Solved it for you!

project92camry · 10-10-2010, 08:15 PM

ok this sounds like too much work for short notice.. i need to do this swap asap cause my auto is goin to go. which 5 spd can i use guys that will give me the least about of headache.
keep in mind i have a 92 cam 5sfe xle auto tranny.

bigbird · 10-10-2010, 08:15 PM

OP, if you havnt done so already, you should check out the MR2 boards liem MR2OC.com. they have quite a bit of good 5sfe info there.

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Originally Posted by N/A Camry Sleeper

It sounds like a daunting project, but it CAN be done - just don't be too hasty - take your time and it will be a great motor. I don't know why more people don't hop up the lowly 5S motors - maybe because there are easier options out there. Take me for instance - I am looking to build a ~220WHP 5S N/A motor and many say I'm nuts.

They are all entitled to their opinions, sure; but I KNOW it can be done - just takes lots of time and patience (oh yeah and not to mention $$$), and MATERIALS SELECTION IS KEY!!!

it can be done(turbo), but many have and most fail becaue of cheaping out not just on parts and materials, but tuning. ill be the first to wish someone luck on a project like that, but have every doubt they will either give up, run out of money, or break something. But there are a few who do and have good results.

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CLOSING NOTE: If the HONDA guys can get N/A ~250WHP out of a K20 13:1 build then why can't I???

aftermarket support, age and technology will be your biggest problem. plus the K20 starts with what, 200? as opposed to the 5sfe's what...135? not a great comparison. a lot of ground to make up. that said, i would love to see your build in action. it would be one mean camry, and sound great too.

***N/A Camry Sleeper*** · 10-10-2010, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbird

OP, if you havnt done so already, you should check out the MR2 boards liem MR2OC.com. they have quite a bit of good 5sfe info there.

Yes - much is to be learned fron the MR2 guys I agree!!!

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Originally Posted by bigbird

aftermarket support, age and technology will be your biggest problem. plus the K20 starts with what, 200? as opposed to the 5sfe's what...135? not a great comparison. a lot of ground to make up. that said, i would love to see your build in action. it would be one mean camry, and sound great too.

This is true - I have lots of ground to make up -

I've been holding out until I get the crank back from the shop...I am planning to destroke the 5SFE to 1.9L and make it a high-revving monster much like the 1.8L Corolla 2zzge motor. Im using ideas from the 2zz, K series Hondas, and elsewhere to put together an unprecedented 5SFE N/A build.

I started on the MR2 site and got a lot of ideas from those guys and still drop in from time to time, but not much progress has been made in the last few months - I am waiting for the crank to get destroked and knife-edged which is a big chunk of the build in itself...

Ok I think I will start a new thread...