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Old 11-24-2010, 11:20 AM   #1 (permalink)
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3rd Generation rough idle '94 Camry 4 cyl

I have a 1994 Camry 4 cyl 2200 automatic. It has developed an intermittent rough idle when in gear i.e.: at a stop light. But sometimes, it relaxes and is so mellow feels like it stopped. However, that is infrequent. Mostly the hard/rough idle.

I have changed plugs, wires, distributor cap and rotor.

I also have an intermittent check engine light and wonder if a plugged EGR would cause the rough idle.

Also, does anyone know how to remove the EGR? I can see the two mounting bolts and nuts on the back of the engine, but there is a large nut below it thast seems impossible to get a wrench on.
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thats how you remove it ^^

There is one Plug connected to it also.

If you remove the top bolt for the bar that connects the intake manifold to the block you can get better access too.
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Thanks. I'll try that. Do you think a blocked EGR could cause the hard/rough idle?


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thats how you remove it ^^

There is one Plug connected to it also.

If you remove the top bolt for the bar that connects the intake manifold to the block you can get better access too.
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Old 11-25-2010, 06:56 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Do you think a blocked EGR could cause the hard/rough idle?
I doubt it. A blocked EGR would have a low flow. There should be no flow at all at idle. If the EGR was allowing flow at idle it may idle rough. It could be a EGR control problem, carbon on the EGR valve seat not letting it close completely. Or it may not even be an EGR problem, it could be as simple as a dirty IAC. I would thoroughly clean the IAC first. And if the problem persists investigate an EGR or EGR control circuit problem.

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3rd Generation Maybe slow fuel injector

I just fixed a rough idling issue that I had. I can be many things. Mine happened to be a bad ( or clogged ) fuel injector for cylinder #2.
But to rule this out, try putting a bottle of Lucus Fuel Injector cleaner in the gas tank ( or the Chevron equivalent ) and let it run it course. If it is a minor issue with the fuel injector, this will solve it. It is an inexpensive step that can never hurt. It can only do good. If it is not the issue, you still did some preventive maintence that only helps.

Please keep us updated to the steps you take to resolve this issue.
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Old 11-26-2010, 09:34 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I doubt it. A blocked EGR would have a low flow. There should be no flow at all at idle. If the EGR was allowing flow at idle it may idle rough. It could be a EGR control problem, carbon on the EGR valve seat not letting it close completely. Or it may not even be an EGR problem, it could be as simple as a dirty IAC. I would thoroughly clean the IAC first. And if the problem persists investigate an EGR or EGR control circuit problem.
Thank you. I will try cleaning the IAC and let you know.

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I just fixed a rough idling issue that I had. I can be many things. Mine happened to be a bad ( or clogged ) fuel injector for cylinder #2.
But to rule this out, try putting a bottle of Lucus Fuel Injector cleaner in the gas tank ( or the Chevron equivalent ) and let it run it course. If it is a minor issue with the fuel injector, this will solve it. It is an inexpensive step that can never hurt. It can only do good. If it is not the issue, you still did some preventive maintence that only helps.

Please keep us updated to the steps you take to resolve this issue.
It will help everyone.
Thanks. I ran some Lucas fuel injector cleaner last month. On my last fill up which was tuesday, I put in some Sea Foam as I hear it mentioned alot on these threads. That resulted in better pick up and better overall performance, but I still get the rough idle while stopped and in gear. It is idling at 800 rpm and feels "hard".
someone else on here suggested cleaning the IAC. I'll give that a go and let you know what happens.

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check out the following link for IAC Removal / Cleaning:

5sfe IAC Removal (lots of pictures)
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Stupid question about IAC hoses

I just read the thread about cleaning the IAC. It was great. But I have a stupid question. It looks like the thread shows two coolant hoses and a third hose. What is the third hose going into the IAC ?

And why does coolant run into the IAC ? To keep the IAC warm on a cold morning ? Or to keep the IAC cool on a hot day ?
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check out the following link for IAC Removal / Cleaning:

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I just read the thread about cleaning the IAC. It was great. But I have a stupid question. It looks like the thread shows two coolant hoses and a third hose. What is the third hose going into the IAC ?

And why does coolant run into the IAC ? To keep the IAC warm on a cold morning ? Or to keep the IAC cool on a hot day ?

Yeah it helps keep the IAC warm so it operates better in colder conditions.

There is a third hose that connects ; its a vacuum line
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Well, I just had the Injector cleaning at a reputable local shop, I also opted for the deal which included transmission flush and coolant flush just because I need both, but I still have the rough idle AND now it varies in speed and has a howling type noise after driving awhile and putting it in park.

The previous situation of sometimes settling down and idling smooth and quite has disappeared.

Would you agree we have narrowed it down to the IAC?
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Old 12-10-2010, 05:28 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Mister Perkins, I must again say thank you. I have used the method described to clean the IAC using Sea Foam spray and spraying a liberal amount into the IAC hole. I also used a tooth brush and clean shop towel to clean the inside opening of the throttle body and butterfly. The difference is amazing! The only reason I didn't remove the IAC completely is that while attempting a start at it, it felt as though I might strip the threads as the screws were very tight. I am trying to talk our church mechanic into removing it for me, but he seems reluctant. I am convinced it still needs thorough cleaning because even though things are better now, I still get an occasional rough idle and it has begun surging. This I feel is a symptom of sticking.

Question, in these threads I have heard mention of "pre-detonation". What is that ?
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Thanks. I'll try that. Do you think a blocked EGR could cause the hard/rough idle?
yes, it could, depending on HOW it blocks the valve. it might make it sticky, or unable to fully close or unable to fully open, take your pick.

cleaning IAC also does wonders on these cars
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