i am sorry but..... please discuss manual transmission with me

[dorifuto.boi]

is it possible for you guys to provide me with some information ? and maybe sticky this information ? i know its been covered many times before but... i dunno. wikipedia wasn't much help. or it would be nice if this info was already out there and someone can direct me to it ?

can we make a table of all the manual trans that works with 1mz-fe and 5s-fe/3s-ge ? because the next time i do a clutch job, i want to pull the tranny and get some new gearing/synchros/lsd in

Transmissions from the factory:

5s-fe 1987-1991 Camry
- s51
First Gear: 3.538:1
Second Gear: 1.960:1
Third Gear: 1.250:1
Fourth Gear: 0.945:1
Fifth Gear: 0.731:1
Final Drive: 3.736:1

5s-fe 1992-1996 Camry
- s51
First Gear: 3.538:1
Second Gear: 1.960:1
Third Gear: 1.250:1
Fourth Gear: 0.945:1
Fifth Gear: 0.731:1
Final Drive: 3.944:1

5s-fe 1997-2001 Camry
- s51
1st: ???
2nd: ???
3rd: ???
4th: ???
5th: ???
final drive: ???

5s-fe 1989-1999 MR2
3s-ge 1991-1995 MR2
- s54
First Gear: 3.285:1
Second Gear: 1.960:1
Third Gear: 1.322:1
Fourth Gear: 1.028:1
Fifth Gear: 0.820:1
Reverse Gear: 3.153:1
Final Drive: 4.176:1 (US); 3.944:1 (EU)

3s-gte 1990-1993 MR2 (1993 had optional LSD)
- e153 (open diff)
1st: ??? (double synchro)
2nd: ??? (double synchro)
3rd: ??? (double synchro)
4th: ??? (double synchro)
5th: ??? (single synchro)
final drive: ???

3s-gte 1994-1995 MR2
- e153 (Viscous Coupler LSD)
1st: 3.23 (double synchro)
2nd: 1.913 (triple synchro)
3rd: 1.258 (triple synchro)
4th: .918 (double synchro)
5th: .731 (double synchro)
final drive: 4.285

1mz-fe - 1997-2001 Camry/Solara/ES300
- e153
1st: 3.23 (double synchro)
2nd: 1.913 (triple synchro)
3rd: 1.258 (triple synchro)
4th: .918 (double synchro)
5th: .731 (double synchro)
final drive: 3.933

3vz-fe - 1992-1993 Camry/ES300
- e53
1st: 3.538 (double synchro)
2nd: 2.045 (triple synchro)
3rd: 1.333 (triple synchro)
4th: 1.028 (double synchro)
5th: .820 (double synchro)
Final drive: 3.625

Information on Axles:

is this correct ?
where do the s53 come in ?

[LynchburgCSI]

I like the idea of collecting the tranny info and stickying it.

To my knowledge:

Originally Posted by dorifuto.boi

from the factory:

5s-fe 1997-2001 Camry/Solara
- s51

5s-fe 1991-1995 MR2
- S54

3s-ge 1991-1995 MR2
- S54

3s-gte 1994-1995 (93 Optional) MR2
- E153 with Viscous Coupler Limited Slip Differential
(The MR2 E153 Transaxle used a mechanical speed sensor from 1990 until 1992. After 1992, an electric speed sensor was used in its place. Either sensor will fit into any year of the E153 Transaxle.)

3s-gte 1990-1993 (93 LSD optional) MR2
-E153 (open diff)

1mz-fe - 1997-2001 Camry/Solara
- E153

3vz-fe - 1992-1993 Camry/ES300
- E53

MR2 Info: http://mr2wiki.com/MKII/E153Transmission

edit: I'm not sure which year the LSD was optional for the E153. It may be 92. I'm also seeing conflicting info on when the 2nd gen MR2 existed.... 90-95, 91-95, etc.

[dorifuto.boi]

thanks. edited original post.

also, are the internals on all the e153 (synchros, gears) exchangable with all the other e153 internals from another car ?

[LynchburgCSI]

Originally Posted by dorifuto.boi

thanks. edited original post.

also, are the internals on all the e153 (synchros, gears) exchangable with all the other e153 internals from another car ?

All E153 internals are identical no matter which car they're pulled from (of course, with the exception of the MR2 LSD). I think I've also seen MR2 guys run E53 cases with E153 internals, IIRC. Also note that the axles are possibly different in a LSD E153 versus a non-LSD E153.

[dorifuto.boi]

oh ok cool. somehow i always thought that the internals are different because i read somewhere that the e153 on the 3s-gte mr2 have stronger synchros and also different gear ratios.

also the final drive is because of the differential right ? is the differential part of the fwd trannys ? are they the same between trannies with the same code ? (well besides the one w LSD)

[LynchburgCSI]

^ That actually would make sense. If you've heard that, you MIGHT want to read up on it. I'm not 100% sure that they're completely identical. I should take back my previous post...

And yes final drive = differential... which is part of a transaxle. Some trannies even share fluid between the diff and tranny portions. I wish I could show you a video of a FWD tranny tear down.

edit: http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/sh...99#post3307299

[Bdub215]

Originally Posted by dorifuto.boi

where do the s53 come in ?

5th Gen Celica GT/GTS 90-93

http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/ar.../t-191374.html

E53: 92-93 Camry 3VZFE North America
1st: 3.538
2nd: 2.045
3rd: 1.333
4th: 1.028
5th: .820
Final drive: 3.625

E153: 97-00 Camry 1MZFE, 99-00 Solara 1MZFE
1st: 3.23
2nd: 1.913
3rd: 1.258
4th: .918
5th: .731
final drive: 3.933

S51: 87-91, 92-96 Camry
1st: 3.538
2nd: 1.960
3rd: 1.250
4th: .945
5th: .731
final drive: 3.736(SV21)3.944(SXV10)

S53
First Gear: 3.285
Second Gear: 2.041
Third Gear: 1.322
Fourth Gear: 1.028
Fifth Gear: 0.820
Reverse Gear: 3.153
Final Drive: 3.944:1
Applications: Toyota Celica

S54
Toyota MR2 Ratios:
First Gear: 3.285:1
Second Gear: 1.960:1
Third Gear: 1.322:1
Fourth Gear: 1.028:1
Fifth Gear: 0.820:1
Reverse Gear: 3.153:1
Final Drive: 4.176:1 (EU Versions have a 3.944:1 Final Drive)

hope it helps.

[Gothmog3VZ]

Would the LSD from a E153 fit into an E53, or no? just wondering

[dorifuto.boi]

is the 5s-fe 97-01 camry's s51's ratios the same as

S51: 87-91, 92-96 Camry
1st: 3.538
2nd: 1.960
3rd: 1.250
4th: .945
5th: .731
final drive: 3.736(SV21)3.944(SXV10)

with just a diff final drive ratio ?

also, is

S54
Toyota MR2 Ratios:
First Gear: 3.285:1
Second Gear: 1.960:1
Third Gear: 1.322:1
Fourth Gear: 1.028:1
Fifth Gear: 0.820:1
Reverse Gear: 3.153:1
Final Drive: 4.176:1 (EU Versions have a 3.944:1 Final Drive)

the same for all the generations of the mr2 ?

[LynchburgCSI]

Originally Posted by Gothmog3VZ

Would the LSD from a E153 fit into an E53, or no? just wondering

Apparently you can use a 3rd gen MR2 (MRS) LSD in the E53. Just something I heard. I DO know that the guts of an E153 fit into the E53 case. And apparently you CAN make hybird E53/153's... I (or you) just need to research it more.

Originally Posted by dorifuto.boi

is the 5s-fe 97-01 camry's s51's ratios the same as

S51: 87-91, 92-96 Camry
1st: 3.538
2nd: 1.960
3rd: 1.250
4th: .945
5th: .731
final drive: 3.736(SV21)3.944(SXV10)

with just a diff final drive ratio ?

also, is

S54
Toyota MR2 Ratios:
First Gear: 3.285:1
Second Gear: 1.960:1
Third Gear: 1.322:1
Fourth Gear: 1.028:1
Fifth Gear: 0.820:1
Reverse Gear: 3.153:1
Final Drive: 4.176:1 (EU Versions have a 3.944:1 Final Drive)

the same for all the generations of the mr2 ?

No idea, honestly. I (or you) should search around on some of the MR2 sites i'm registered on.



http://www.mr2.com/forums/v6-owners-...sion-poll.html Keep in mind thats an MR2 Site... NOT a camry site. I'll post up more info here in a bit.


Just a rough outline for now. I'll update this as needed.