Eclipse turbo setup on 5s???

[LittleWhiteBubble]

Now to start off, this will probably never happen.... but I am curious...

My brother has a 1990 eclipse gs-t with a 16g turbo setup. He wrecked the car and I'm rebuilding it for him. As "compensation" I was debating taking all the turbo setup parts off his car (turbo, intercooler, lines, etc.) and trying to fab them onto my camry and making his a n/a eclipse. This would actually be feasible for me I think, because I'd have all the expensive stuff already. But I don't know how that turbo would bolt up to an mr-2 manifold, and I'm not sure how hard or expensive it would be to find a downpipe and an engine management system or a tune. Is this something that would be worth it for me to take on? I have an auto trans so I know that would limit my gains, and I'd only have a few hundred dollars to spend on it. I've never done a turbo setup before, so I don't know how difficult this would really be...

[Mister_Perkins]

yeah you can put it on the 5sfe. You can put almost any turbo onto any car.

You can get everything hooked up to your car (may need a custom manifold .. Easy and inexpensive with a local welder)

You would have to tap the oil pan or find some way to hook up the oil lines on the car. The intercooler you could swap over. You would probably need to have custom piping for the car (easy) from the intercooler. I dont think that the eclipse piping would swap over.

As far as the tuning, you would more than likely want to get a turbo timer and a programmable ECM. AEM has a programmable ECM (runs about $1000 - $1500). There are cheaper ECM's out there i think.

You will need a custom exhaust too. (Larger) to accommodate the large amount of exhaust exiting the system.

Your Stock injectors should work if your not boosting a huge amount.

You will also need some way to monitor your turbo setup. Oil temp, boost / vacuum.

With only a couple hundred bucks to spend, I would grab the turbo stuff and just save up.

[2wickedtoyz]

Originally Posted by Mister_Perkins

With only a couple hundred bucks to spend, I would grab the turbo stuff and just save up.

save up and do it......don't 9^$$y out.

use the newer 5sfe manifold from a gen4- 4.5 and you could have a flange for the turbo welded on it easily.

make sure you set your timing to 8deg tdc

get a adjustable FPR (fuel pressure regulator) or one from a 7mgte supra

upgrade your injectors to green top 7mgte injectors

get a 255lph fuel pump

also 7 heat range NGK sparkplugs would benefit you.

you will also need oil feed and oil return lines.

the intercooler piping might be able to be used but that will determine the mounting of the intercooler.

you will also NEED a 3sgte map sensor

SAFC is required

turbo timer... why?

[Rapeacivic]

Save up and do it right. I doubt the 3sgte manifold will bolt up to that turbo. You won't only need a custom downpipe, and ecu tuning, you will need custom oil lines for the turbo, a 3sgte map sensor, intercooler piping, a higher output fuel pump, injectors, a fuel pressure regulater, etc.

[Mister_Perkins]

I've never boosted personally .. I just assumed that people used turbo timers . lol

My friend has a 98 Eclipse thats boosted and he is using a turbo timer.

Thats just general knowledge I've acquired through my years of research and hands on.

I know that the stock injectors can handle 7-8psi boost no problem. The map sensor / Fuel pump would definitely be a different story though

[Rapeacivic]

Originally Posted by Mister_Perkins

I've never boosted personally .. I just assumed that people used turbo timers . lol

My friend has a 98 Eclipse thats boosted and he is using a turbo timer.

Thats just general knowledge I've acquired through my years of research and hands on.

I know that the stock injectors can handle 7-8psi boost no problem. The map sensor / Fuel pump would definitely be a different story though

Dude, all a turbo timer does is let the engine run longer for a minute or 2 after you take out the key so the turbo can cool down. It has nothing to do with ecu tune or anything and is not required on a turbocharged car. Most people buy them because they do not want to wait a few minutes in their car to let the turbo cool down.

[Mister_Perkins]

Well that would probably be a good idea to have one then if you wanna save the turbo bearings That would suck to spend all that money and forget to let the turbo cool down and seize it up

[RichieRichJP]

Originally Posted by 2wickedtoyz

turbo timer... why?

Actually, a turbo timer is beneficial, believe it or not.

At the same time, if you don't have the money for a turbo timer, simply rev the car up before you turn it off.

[lemegacool]

no need for a aem EMS... SAFC2 would do the job for a low power turbo...

you should save up to do this... you think that you have all the expensive parts until oh wait i need one of these OH and this too... been there done that... tought that my 5 speed swap would cost me about 1500 bucks lol actually costed me 2300$ now i'm in the same boat with my custom M90 SC lol

try to become friend with a welder or it can get expensive to get a custom turbo setup welded up by a shop...

if youre serious about this try contacting gabe... he did a custom turbo setup on a 5sfe...

since you add more air you will deff need to add more fuel! and dont go and buy cheapo "jdm" brand regulators and stuff on ebay because fuel delivery is important in a boosted setup! if you were to lack fuel while on high boost then it could result in a melted piston from a lean condition/detonation...

you want higher flow injectors that you know are flowing evenly (if they are used), if one was to flow way less than the others than again could melt a piston...

as said earlier colder spark plugs will benefit you with colder combustion chamber temps (less chances of detonation)

you will NEED to run premium gas (91 or more)

now i dont want to be a party crasher i just want to inform you with things i learned from since i started educating myself on boost...

GET the book "maximum boost" by corky bell

[2wickedtoyz]

Originally Posted by lemegacool

GET the book "maximum boost" by corky bell

forgot about that book

[curry.style]

This is all good info... does the 3S turbo manifold bolt straight on to the 5S block? I'm definately going to keep an eye on this thread. I'm considering doing a turbo after my 5-speed swap.
To the OP you should definately consider a 5-speed swap before you think about bolting that turbo on. Automatics have enough trouble with stock power levels. Anything more is asking for trouble.

[lemegacool]

if you stick with the auto slap a huge tranny cooler on it

[RichieRichJP]

Originally Posted by curry.style

This is all good info... does the 3S turbo manifold bolt straight on to the 5S block? I'm definately going to keep an eye on this thread. I'm considering doing a turbo after my 5-speed swap.
To the OP you should definately consider a 5-speed swap before you think about bolting that turbo on. Automatics have enough trouble with stock power levels. Anything more is asking for trouble.

The manifold bolts onto the cylinder head, not the block
And the answer is yes, if you get the correct bolt pattern one.
You should seriously keep an eye on the FAQ's. There's tons more information there.

[curry.style]

Forgive me, I mistyped block...I know I bolts to the head. I've built a few engines. I've checked into the FAQ's. I'll have to look again, thanks.

[LittleWhiteBubble]

I'm not going to go through the trouble of the tranny swap or anything. The only reason I'm humoring the turbo setup is because if my brother is willing to let the parts go, I would have a good start on materials. For all the money a swap and the turbo setup would cost I could just sell this and buy an eclipse like his. His car was actually cheaper than mine.

The intercooler on his car goes on the passenger side mounted in front of the fender behind the bumper. It is in a similar location to the little vents on the bottom of the gen 3 bumper and could easily be ducted into it. The oil lines he has are longer than what I would need, as his oil pan is on the drivers side, so I think I could maybe modify the existing oil lines.

I don't want to lead anybody into thinking this project is going to go into effect right away or anything though. It may not happen at all if I can't get the parts. I am still trying to get something done with the 03 camry I was working on, and may end up with it instead of my gen 3 anyway. And my truck is slowly on the outs too but I could still drive it during this mod. But this is just an idea I'm toying with.

I wouldn't bother with a turbo timer, unless you're really working the car a lot it isn't necessary. But from what I've read, all the fuel stuff would need to be changed over. There's a few supra's, a turbo mr2, and some rx7's at my local junkyard I could probably salvage fuel components from. The main thing I'm worried about is the engine management system. Is it possible to just find a computer from a turbo mr2 or something and run that, or reflash my computer, or would I have to drop hundreds on something aftermarket? This would be a budget project and that might blow me out of the water.