3rd & 4th Generation (1992–1996 & 1997–2001)Toyota Camry Discussion for years: 1992-1996 & 1997-2001
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I was wanting to know if anyone knew if I could put a cluster from a 1992 Lexus LS400 in my Camry I know they are almost the same model....Both clusters have the same outlets. Just seeing if anyone knew, Because I also have a 1992 Lexus LS400 and was going to try it but did not want to mess anything up
The only problem I could see happening is the fitment may be different since its 92 to 98 with different design. Plus i believe the 98 camry has a digital read-out odometer so that may cause some issues as well. You may be able to swap the internals from one to the other if they are similar
Oh okay, yeah plug it in and see if it works. Just keep in mind that changing the mileage on an odometer is illegal so swapping them if the mileage is different, next inspection you may get busted for falsifying your mileage
Oh okay, yeah plug it in and see if it works. Just keep in mind that changing the mileage on an odometer is illegal so swapping them if the mileage is different, next inspection you may get busted for falsifying your mileage
You are not "falsifying mileage" when what you are doing is in an effort to MAINTAIN ACCURACY.
"Falsifying mileage" means to roll back mileage, or to install a cluster with fewer miles than the receiving vehicle. Basically to commit fraud.
That is not what the OP is attempting to do. There is nothing illegal involved in changing the cluster and making the mileage correct to the vehicle.
You are not "falsifying mileage" when what you are doing is in an effort to MAINTAIN ACCURACY.
"Falsifying mileage" means to roll back mileage, or to install a cluster with fewer miles than the receiving vehicle. Basically to commit fraud.
That is not what the OP is attempting to do. There is nothing illegal involved in changing the cluster and making the mileage correct to the vehicle.
You have two clusters. #1 has 128,000 miles. #2 has 156,000 miles. You swap them. Now #1 says 156,000 miles, and #2 says 128,000 miles.
THAT IS ILLEGAL
now, if you change them and adjust the mileage manually ( he has digital so you will need a computer to program it ) to reflect ACTUAL mileage it is not illegal.
You have two clusters. #1 has 128,000 miles. #2 has 156,000 miles. You swap them. Now #1 says 156,000 miles, and #2 says 128,000 miles.
THAT IS ILLEGAL
now, if you change them and adjust the mileage manually ( he has digital so you will need a computer to program it ) to reflect ACTUAL mileage it is not illegal.
What you are saying is INACCURATE. It is only illegal if you knowingly misrepresent the mileage.
Just to be accurate, I did a little research on this issue (I am a licensed attorney). Odometer change is regulated at the state level, not federal, so each state has slightly different laws regarding the matter. I did not do an exhaustive search against all 50 states, because the states I checked all have similar statutes, and the ones that I checked all required intent to defraud in order to violate the law. Some states were "less clear" than others, but they all revolved around fraud, which requires intent. Several states noted that any discrepency (due to repair or replacement) could be noted on an odometer accuracy statement that should be attached to the title transfer paperwork. Ohio even had an interesting form to attach to the car if you changed the odometer:
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(C) Nothing in this section prevents the service of an odometer, provided that after the service a completed form, captioned “notice of odometer repair,” shall be attached to the left door frame of the motor vehicle by the person performing the repairs. The notice shall contain, in bold-face type, the following information and statements:
“Notice of Odometer Repair
The odometer of this motor vehicle was repaired or replaced on __________ (date of service).
The mileage registered on the odometer of this motor vehicle before repair was __________ (mileage).
The mileage registered on the odometer of this motor vehicle after repair is __________ (mileage).
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(Repairer's signature)”
(D) No person shall intentionally remove or alter the notice required by division (C) of this section.
Ohio Rev. Code Ann. § 4549.42 (West)
Note that nothing in the Ohio statute even requires the person to be a licensed mechanic, or dealer, or have any certification whatsoever, as long as he/she can sign his or her name.
In short, don't be afraid to repair or replace, or swap for any reason, an odometer. If you can correct the mileage, that's great. If you can't, you must disclose the odometer change, otherwise it is fraud.
I understand what your saying, but if you do not disclose the odometer change and just swap them. Which most people would do, then it would be considered illegal. That's all that I am saying. You cannot just swap them and call it a day.
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It is illegal to reset or alter an odometer with the intent to change mileage or to file a false odometer disclosure statement, federal regulators say. One recent law, the Truth in Mileage Act, requires the seller to disclose the vehicle's mileage on the title when a car's ownership is transferred. The title, the law says, must be printed by a secure process to decrease the possibility of counterfeiting or altering titles.
One of the most famous cases last year involved an Tulsa, Okla., man, William Satterfield, who pleaded guilty to conspiracy and odometer tampering. What made the case unusual is that Satterfield was chairman of the Oklahoma Used Motor Vehicle and Parts Commission from April 1995 until November 1996. He was responsible for law-enforcement activities for the state involving car dealerships. He was sentenced to a 50- month jail term, and was ordered to pay a $7,500 fine and $1,337,000 in restitution.
So unless you file for a odometer disclosure giving the original mileage and the actual mileage listed, its considered a crime and is illegal.
Also, almost all clusters have an anti-tampering indicators installed to let them know if the mileage has been messed with. This is why you should bring it to a dealership. Good intention or not, if they think you tampered with an odometer its a federal crime.
If you are concerned about authenticity...put the new speedometer in, write up a notice of the mileage on both speedometers, the VIN number/license plate of the car and have it notarized.
Fact is, if you change the odometer, without documenting in an indelible manner (writing it on the title, documenting and notarize and witnessed declaration of fact); if not, sooner or later, someone will represent that mileage as "fact".
The altered odometer law(s) were passed not because too many people were being too honest, it was passed to make sure we all know it is not a good thing not fair – not legal, and to ensure there could be a penalty accessed, if it is discovered that the odometer has been tampered with ... end of story.
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