3rd & 4th Generation (1992–1996 & 1997–2001)Toyota Camry Discussion for years: 1992-1996 & 1997-2001
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This discussion is meant to clear up some myths about the size of rear brakes on ES300’s and wagons. Please contribute what you know about the subject. I will tell my story and try to come to some conclusions that may help those with wagons working on their brakes and those that want to do rear disc upgrades.
During my online / phone shopping adventures for 4 Brembo rotors and Hawk HPS pads, I ran into some confusion on what the part number for the rear rotors is. Some places said the 25161 while others 25552s which are the bigger ones. Because it’s a widely known “fact” that wagon and ES300 rear rotors are bigger, I bought the 25552s.
When I received all the parts I decided to put the pads on the rotors to make sure all the parts match. The rear pads were much narrower than the rotors I got. Here is a picture of the Hawk pads on the rotor –
A quick measurement showed that the pads I got are about 1 1/4” wide the rotors (25552’s) have about 1 7/8” space for a pad.
So now I know something is wrong. Either the rotors are too big or the pads are too small. I was sure the pads were small because of the widely known “fact” that wagon brakes are bigger. Luckily I’ve got 5-star rims that allow me good access to the rotor. When I measured the space for a pad on my rotor, it was about 1 1/4".
What this tells me is that the rotors on my wagon are not bigger than other Camry’s and possibly ES300’s. I am going to return the rotors and buy the smaller ones (unless someone wants these giant Brembo rotors - $80 shipped).
After going back are re-researching part numbers, here is what I found –
1. Hawk only has one part number for all rear rotor Camry’s and ES300’s
2. Brembo sells two different rotors for Camry wagons
3. I still get websites / stores that tell me that I got the correct rotors
So after boring you with this long story, here are the conclusions – be careful when ordering rear brakes for your wagon and do your research and buy the real bigger brakes when you upgrade from drums to discs.
Feel free to add to this what you know.
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I ran into something similar with my 95 LE 5SFE wagon. I went to Autozone and asked for rear rotors for it. When I tried to put them on, they were too big. I took them back along with one of the rotors from the car. It turns out they are the same size as sedan rear rotors.
It seems like in another thread someone mentioned that maybe the V-6 wagons had the bigger rotors, but not the 4 cylinder wagons.
4 cyl wagon = sedan rear rotors OR drums, IIRC.
V6 wagon = ES300 rear discs.
That what i've always heard.
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I really hate to stir up trouble here, but does that mean, us Camry sedan owners can upgrade our rear brakes with ES-300, (or V-6 Wagon), rotors and pads?
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I really hate to stir up trouble here, but does that mean, us Camry sedan owners can upgrade our rear brakes with ES-300, (or V-6 Wagon), rotors and pads?
You can even swap the 4 cylinder's rear drums to ES300 brakes. OH LOOK MY OLD CAR.
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So according to this 1992-1996 ES300, Gen 3 Camry Station Wagons both use the same rotor size. Gen 4 Camry, Gen 1Solara, Gen 3 ES300 (97-01) all use the same rotor size, and Gen 6 Camry's both i4 and V6 are 7mm (.2") smaller than the Gen 3 Camry Station Wagon, and Gen 2 ES300.
Hope this helps...
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Creeps, if you read the thread, you will see that some of the info you posted is not completely correct. My and iinh3's hands-on experience shows that some wagons have the smaller rotors in the back. Thats the point of this thread - to show that not all we hear (even from parts suppliers) is always correct.
Iit seems that everyone forgets that the 95-04 Avalon also uses 11.3 & 11.4" rotors as well.
True, but they're NOT NOT NOT NOT the same rear rotors that the ES300/wagon has. They are marginally larger than the ES300's though.
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Originally Posted by Safari Wagon
Creeps, if you read the thread, you will see that some of the info you posted is not completely correct. My and iinh3's hands-on experience shows that some wagons have the smaller rotors in the back. Thats the point of this thread - to show that not all we hear (even from parts suppliers) is always correct.
Measure your rotors before you buy, gentlemen.
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Last edited by LynchburgCSI; 02-17-2011 at 10:46 AM.
Can you explain the difference ? I'm interested to hear.
I bought Hawk HPS rear pads specific to the ES300 and will soon find out if they fit...
If the part number of the pads you ordered is HB401F.587 then they probably won't fit. These are the ones I got and as you can see from the picture above they are waaay narrower than the big rotors....
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